rcoutme
Emperor
Akots has suggested that we declare war and attack the annoying C3B warrior on the hill. We can also try to deny C3B their GA for as long as possible.
Declaration of War on C3B
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Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
First I would use the Embassy and City espionage on key locations before you do this.
Embassy will give you Brasillia, and City investigate Rio is key. Please hold your horses and do so just ahead of the attack. Maybe investigate Sao Luis and Fortaleza too.
Embassy will give you Brasillia, and City investigate Rio is key. Please hold your horses and do so just ahead of the attack. Maybe investigate Sao Luis and Fortaleza too.
akots
Poet
Not sure if spending cash on investigating something that is likely to change the next turn is really worth the money. C3B is not some dumb AI, they will certainly switch all their units once going to war. But Embassy might be worth it just to reveal terrain around Brasilia.
magnusmarcus
Prince
Can we wait a couple days to get there reply on the current proposals.....Just to get an idea on what there intent may be? Then declare war. Then we could say the war was because of there failure to negotiate.
Could we get another javelin thrower by the hill just in case the first doesn't do the job or would that be too much of a tip off?
Could we get another javelin thrower by the hill just in case the first doesn't do the job or would that be too much of a tip off?
No, not yet! 
And give them all the war happiness?!?
There's really no point. It's just one stupid warrior, which actually doesn't see anything useful. Besides, we can use that warrior for a Golden Age at any time we want. I thought most us you agreed the element of surprise is most important.
If you want war, we could force them to attack us by landing a unit on their shores.
And give them all the war happiness?!?
There's really no point. It's just one stupid warrior, which actually doesn't see anything useful. Besides, we can use that warrior for a Golden Age at any time we want. I thought most us you agreed the element of surprise is most important.
If you want war, we could force them to attack us by landing a unit on their shores.
Donovan Zoi
The Return
I prefer Matrix's idea. Let them bring the war to us, and use that extra time for some major contingency planning.
RegentMan
Deity
I want to declare war eventually, but Matrix and Donovan bring up some good points. I vote wait.
akots
Poet
It is not about war but about an opportunity to trigger Golden Age for us. If they suspect we can declare and attack, they would certainly disband their warrior and we would have to fight without Golden Age. In the future they would certainly try to avoid fighting our JTs. IMO, they made a HUGE mistake, I would even call it "a big blunder" and we should use this mistake. Don't forget that timing is very good.
It is certainly possible to wait for their reply for a few days while holding the game. It might be OK in the case of declarations of war and disputes associated with it.
The point is not to trigger GA when the CoG plan is ready but to use GA to make CoG plan really deadly which makes a perfect sense. We would be able to outproduce them for a substantial period of time then since their GA would have been delayed and rather substantially. And CoG plan would be coming into life with the help of knights then!
If we further delay the Golden Age, we would get good benefit from it still but it is the same thing as moving the starting settler: the earlier the better because the consequences of enhanced growth and research and production are multiplied over time manyfold.
And they will never be the aggressor. They just don't need a war to win this game over us. They can win it peacefully.
It is certainly possible to wait for their reply for a few days while holding the game. It might be OK in the case of declarations of war and disputes associated with it.
The point is not to trigger GA when the CoG plan is ready but to use GA to make CoG plan really deadly which makes a perfect sense. We would be able to outproduce them for a substantial period of time then since their GA would have been delayed and rather substantially. And CoG plan would be coming into life with the help of knights then!
If we further delay the Golden Age, we would get good benefit from it still but it is the same thing as moving the starting settler: the earlier the better because the consequences of enhanced growth and research and production are multiplied over time manyfold.
And they will never be the aggressor. They just don't need a war to win this game over us. They can win it peacefully.
I am not against war and a Golden Age. I just want everyone to know the odds of a 4/4 JT winning against a 3/3 fortified warrior on a hill. Combat calculator says 71.6%
Golden Age to research Monotheism + Chivalry + producing knights. Sounds tasty.
Golden age will give us 70 shields per turn extra and 82 commerce extra. If we do it now, we can also sink the galley near KD and perhaps a galley north of KD (directly in the path of the settler-galley ...)
We have 3 fast units in the north area (hit and run on Immortals) with 3 more near KD this turn.
It will require switching Fanta off off MDI or 1 turn, perhaps granary or temple.
We must expect a C3B landing in our east then. Just facts.
I can hold the save if you want.
Golden Age to research Monotheism + Chivalry + producing knights. Sounds tasty.
Golden age will give us 70 shields per turn extra and 82 commerce extra. If we do it now, we can also sink the galley near KD and perhaps a galley north of KD (directly in the path of the settler-galley ...)
We have 3 fast units in the north area (hit and run on Immortals) with 3 more near KD this turn.
It will require switching Fanta off off MDI or 1 turn, perhaps granary or temple.
We must expect a C3B landing in our east then. Just facts.
I can hold the save if you want.
akots
Poet
There also might be an issue with CDZ being able to investigate our cities while passing info to C3B. We would have either to ensure that CDZ will not do this (their word would be sufficient for this) or if they cannot ensure the war would have to be declared to CDZ as well. It might be the CDZ would actually wellcome this because they get war happiness. Since the CDZ is not willing to trade, there is little difference for us in this case. We can couple the declaration of war to CDZ with trade of Feudalism to Monotheism. They get a good tech (which obviously they would not be able to trade to C3B) according to this, we can go straight to chivalry, CDZ gets war happiness, we would be secure from investigating our cities, so both us and CDZ would greatly benefit in this case.
There is little point in having peace with C3B at this time since they are not willing to trade. We don't benefit from maintaining this peace.
There is little point in having peace with C3B at this time since they are not willing to trade. We don't benefit from maintaining this peace.
magnusmarcus
Prince
akots said:
The best point I've heard so far!
uhm. We still have obligations to them. I don't like to be a deal-breaker.
magnusmarcus
Prince
Rik Meleet said:
Which binding obligations do we have?
We still have 4 turns of 25 gpt to CDZ for payments for Construction.magnusmarcus said:
There's another Javalin Thrower in Khazad-Dûm. You could move it to him as well and attack the next turn. Though that might make them suspicious since we're already waiting so long to send the save further.Rik Meleet said:
Will they be that smart? 
Yep, akots convinced me too.Rik Meleet said:
Perhaps we should redo this poll.
Wow, how do you know that so precisely?Rik Meleet said:
What does CDZ have to do with this?Rik Meleet said:
I think you're confusing civs here.
GA gives 1 shield per tile and 1 commerce per tile that already has 1. Simple counting gives you that.matrix said:
Redoing the poll ? Hmmm. rather not. But I can edit if you want. Or better: someone can start a new poll.
Sorry about the mixup; I read that we should also declare on CDZ to prevent them from spying on us ...
RegentMan
Deity
I agree with Goonie. Akots sure can be persuasive!Goonie said:
