Rat04 - silent Greeks DG

rat3 wasn't exactly a success, we go for a replay now with Greeks

difficulty still DG. If we succeed, deity could be an option next time.

This game is sort of semi-defiant. Rules

1. We may never initiate discussions with AI or start trading. Only if the AI starts to open the dialog box, are we allowed to start trading and haggling.

2. We have the option to boot the AI off our territory, it is not a must, but can be used. However, this means strictly booting only without starting negotiations.

3. We are not allowed to purposely enter enemy territory to get booted in order to start negotiations. If we enter enemy territory and get the boot, we will NOT start negotiations

4. We will never give in to AI demands, but are allowed to make peace, even if it costs us some gold.

5. We are not allowed to use mapstat or open dialog box to check AI's resources etc. I trust members to respect that rules.

6. No embassies established by us, spies are wanted for steals later on

7. Alliances or RoP, trade embargos are allowed.

8. The usual house rules apply, reputation is golden etc.


World size = standard
Pangaea = 60% ocean
Barbs = sendentary
Climate, Temperature, Age = Random
Civ = scientific, but to be decided
Opponents = Random
SGL and cultural linked starts = off
AI aggression = Normal


The Roster
The Rat
plarq
Kaiser_Berger
elmarae
dl123654

save



1.4000BC
see that there is a fish south on what looks like an ocean move south to discover its a lake with a cow


2.3950BC
found Athens and Barb camp gives us a map, see some dyes nearby
start hoplite
since we have alphabet go for writing at max

7.3650BC
finished mine the BG

8.3600BC
start to irrigate the cow

9.3550BC
warrior next for MP, hoplite goes for search

12.3400BC
settler next, reduce lux

14.3300BC
Athens grows, up lux

15.3250BC
spot a Barb, that means also another Civ
now spot dark red border in west

19.3050BC
get settler at same time as growth in Athens, start another warrior
settler goes south to claim dyes

20.3000BCAD
settler in place to settle, I think we have a 4 turn settler factory here, looking good
suggest to start early war with that dark red Civ with our hoplite we can pillage them to death
hoplite got attacked by Barb, we can rest or say hello first

lurker's comment: The rules still have the problem from Rat03. There is NO provision to let you initiate a war. Do you really want to have a war from a leave or declare war destroying your RoP rep at a minimum?

The rules still have the problem from Rat03. There is NO provision to let you initiate a war. Do you really want to have a war from a leave or declare war destroying your RoP rep at a minimum?

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quite true, but that's the silent issue, maybe we could have the following rule:

declare war by:
either boot AI, attack AI from outside their territory or open diplo screen for the purpose of declaring war only in order to keep reputation

any comments?

on the turn set.

I can agree to open diplo screen to declare war as a last resort.

I think leaving the option to open diplo only for war declarations is a good idea. This start is superb, an easy 4-turn factoryfor certain.

ok, so we agree on the diplo option.

by the way, i did not roll 1000 starts, it was the 2nd, the 1st being in the midst of a huge desert with nth else.
only moving southwest did I realise what great land we have

and by the way, I would keep research at max as waht I did, after writing I would try for the philo gamble

@Team:I'm not good at settler factory setup,sorry,but could KB do that before me?THX

Checking in.

Settler factories are easy to set up. A granary is a must.

A 4 turn factory needs 5 extra food and 6 shields at size 4 and 5 extra food and 7 shields at size 5. A forest or mBGrassland provides the extra 4 shields when it grows. Each time the town grows check the city screen to make sure it's producing 5f and 6s at size 4 and 5f and 7s at size 5

Turn 0: Size 4, 10f till growth. (+5f, 6s)
Turn 1: Size 4, 5f till growth, 6 shields
Turn 2: Size 5, 10f till growth, 12 shields + 2 shields from forest on growth. Move citizen from forest to a 2 food, 1+ shield tile. (+5f, 7s)
Turn 3: Size 5, 5f till growth, 21 shields.
Turn 4: Size 4, 10f till growth, 28 shields + 2 shields from forest on growth. Size reduced by 2 building the settler. Move citizen from forest to a 2 food, 1+ shield tile. (+5f, 6s).
repeat turns 1-4

6 Turn factories I always mess up, that requires building a 10s unit then the settler and I haven't comprehended the mechanics for that yet.

plarq, play your turns and don't worry, we are still miles from the 4 turn factory, we need to grow size and don't even have the tech for a granary, rax and settler is priority for now. and go for MAX science, once we settle 2nd town you will see the turns for wirting will go down quite a bit.

ok,I got it.

Alex,3000BC
Preturn:None,add a beaker in F1 screen.
T1:Build Sparta,Start warrior,labor in the lake.
T2:Nothing
IBT:Egypt knocked our door,she has Mas,CB and WC,lacks Alpha,she offered WC and 23g for Alphabet,or Masonry for Alphabet and 2g.I take WC deal.
T3:Nothing
IBT:Athen archer->Settler
T4:Nothing.
IBT:Sparta Warrior->worker
T8:Nothing
IBT:Athen Settler->Barracks
T9:Move Settler to FP land.
T12:settler pair ready.
T13:Found Thermopylae.
T14:Worker roading Dyes.
IBT:Byz->Collossus ongoing.
T16:Nothing
IBT:Athen Rax->Settler.
T17:Nothing
T20:Writing->Philo at Max,15t.
Summary:I start Philo last turn.
Athen has a rax now.
No one trade us Pottery.
I meet no new face.
save

looking at the map, it might be a good idea to expand southeast since there are hills and mountains for that iron we need.

Looking good, hope we can really bag philo first. usually I would have gone for IW or whatever other tech, but I had hoped by chosing writing and philo we might get AI's to talk to us to get those techs. In goz8 and rat3, the AI was a little too quiet. maybe we are more lucky with this somewhat different approach.
And don't forget to start building walls once we aquired the requred tech. Expect some type of war in the near future.


The Roster
The Rat
plarq - just played (20 turns )
Kaiser_Berger - up with 10 turns from now on
elmarae - on deck
dl123654 - waiting for his new computer

If we build Walls in front,with Hoplite inside and horses around,we'll make a killing zone!

Looks good. I've got it.

Preturn- We look alright.

T3 2030

We settle Corinth.

T4 1990

Scouting archer reveals spices to the east.

T5 1950

A people calling themselves the Ottomans appear in the east.

T6 1910

On the IT Ottomans pop up and offer us a trade. It could be risky to us getting Philo first, but I trade Writing and 24g for Pottery and Masonry.


Summary


We should have a settler factory up and running soon. Once the granary is complete it should be about ready. It will probably run best and quickest from size 5-7, but as was shown 4-6 is easily doable as well. We have lots of quality land left to grab, namely the spices to the east. After that settling SE sounds good, especially to claim some of the mountains. Philo is done in 5 turns, I would suspect us taking Literature as our free tech.

It could be risky to us getting Philo first, but I trade Writing and 24g for Pottery and Masonry.

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there might be some risk, but getting 2 free techs is far better. especially we can build walls now, please do so for the outer cities.

agree on taking lit as free tech though we might not go for GL, its a good tech anyway. let's hope we will stay in the trading game for a while and grab more land

elmarae is up

Skip me this time, I have a flu or head cold of some sort.

dl123654, are you available already, esle I will take it

save

Pre-Turn
will try and time granary and growth for less wastage

1.1725BC
zzz

IT chop will speed up granary in Athens

2.1700BC
zzzz

3.1675BC
granary in 1, growth in 2

4. 1650AD
Athens -> hoplite
reduce science, philo next turn

IT philo, select lit we get our free tech
go for the wheel in 5

5.1625BC
hoplite continues walking south, there is a lot of land

IT great, Rome knocks on our door
don't want to trade lit, but we can get IW and CB for phlio, done
Iro are next, Mysticism and 5g for philo

6.1600BC
well, the iron sources are pretty far off
step on hut to relase some barbs

7.1575BC
start 4 turn settler

8. 1550BC
meet the Celts

IT they knock on our door, let's see
we can get maths, the wheel and all their gold for lit, ok

91525BC
we have horses very closeby, go for HBR in 5

10.1500BC
there is a lot of land south, next turn border expansion will give us the horses, settler ready next turn, should go east
road prepared already