External Consulate T4 D4- Alright, what now?

greekguy · Jun 09, 2005, 05:47 PM

ok, let's take a quick look at our list of nations do war with. China and Portugal-- no longer nations. France-- left with a lone, useless colony city. So what next. we could attack Persia and take what's left of their crumbling empire. we could also make the Byzantines war a real one and take Persopolis and Gordium. it seems that by taking Gordium we would have a nice, definsible position with a very narrow border. since our future millitary will be very small, this would help defend our borders better. we also want to ICS and culture to the max soon, so we don't want to get into a bogged down war with the Byz, which could happen. what do you guys think?

DaveShack · Jun 09, 2005, 07:09 PM

We're actually up to the point now that we have to be careful not to take too much territory in border expansions to push us over the domination limit. The military point of view is that a defensible land border is a good thing, and we can and should go across the land bridge to raze (not capture) the key cultural opposition.

Chieftess · Jun 09, 2005, 07:30 PM

If we take Persia, and the two former Persian cities, we WILL hit the 66% limit after several cultural expansions. I would advise not to take Persia...

Also, we need 130,000 culture and 2x the 2nd highest culture civ to win.

zyxy · Jun 10, 2005, 06:19 AM

I think we can take Persia and former Persia, except for Gordium. In this thread I have made some estimate of the tile count and proposed city placement.

We should get someone to take the last French city.We don't want any flips.

I wouldn't be too afraid of the Byz. They'll declare on us time and again. With rails and such, it won't matter much.

Furiey · Jun 10, 2005, 08:13 AM

There's nothing to stop us razing Byzantium (or anyones) cities even once we reach the domination limit, just as long as we don't keep them. Razing would force them to start to build the city infrastructure from scratch again. Add in some pillaging and we'd certainly slow them up a bit.

classical_hero · Jun 10, 2005, 08:29 AM

I would prefer that we start pillaging cities now. Any wars should be about destroying infrastructure.

zyxy · Jun 11, 2005, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by classical_hero

I would prefer that we start pillaging cities now. Any wars should be about destroying infrastructure.

I think that's a good idea, at least for after Persia. Main targets: Maya (culture and tech leaders) and Byzantium (they're just asking for it).

Use our cavalries while we still can!

Furiey · Jun 11, 2005, 10:47 AM

What are we going to do with France?

We are still at War and are now getting War Weariness. Every turn we stay at war we are running at increased flip risk. Thier final city is a way off - surrounded by Byzantines in fact. We can make Peace now and get Music Theory and an Alliance against the Byzantines for it. This would get the Byzantines to be the ones to take their final city.

Options for the Peace deal including the alliance (they have no gold):
1. MA + Music Theory for nothing extra
2. MA + Navigation for 217 gold
3. MA + Music Theory + Navigation for 503 gold + 11gpt
4. MA + Music Theory + Naviagtion for 39gpt
5. MA + Music Theory + Navigation for Chemistry

I'm not too bothered about the techs but we might as well have the Byzantines do our dirty work for us, so I would probably go for option 1.

vikingruler · Jun 11, 2005, 08:19 PM

Like Classical Hero said we should focus on pillaging and razing cities, this way not passing the 66% domination limit. I suggest pillaging and razing the Maya a little, but no get bogged down in a long war, it might the Maya down, but it will slow us down as well. Also, hurt the Byzantines a little and maybe destroy or weaken the Persian even more, MA's would be the safest. They make other civs attack civs. and take there land, while we don't get it all and pass the domination limit.

Bertie · Jun 11, 2005, 09:20 PM

I haven't counted tiles to domination limit, but zyxy's calculations look pretty good to me: we should expand up to Gordium. After that we're still going to be at war, and want to encourage other nations via MAs; but we will raze cities, and won't acquire new real estate. At some point we should probably raze the Mayan capital in order to make sure they don't win a 20,000 point cultural victory.

zyxy · Jun 12, 2005, 10:33 AM

I like Furiey's option 1.

Question: do we get a rep hit if our alliance partner (=France) dies?

If the answer is yes, then I don't like Furiey's option 1

. (Or options 2-5, for that matter).

Jun 09, 2005, 05:47 PM	#1
greekguy Missed the Boat Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 4,385	External Consulate T4 D4- Alright, what now? ok, let's take a quick look at our list of nations do war with. China and Portugal-- no longer nations. France-- left with a lone, useless colony city. So what next. we could attack Persia and take what's left of their crumbling empire. we could also make the Byzantines war a real one and take Persopolis and Gordium. it seems that by taking Gordium we would have a nice, definsible position with a very narrow border. since our future millitary will be very small, this would help defend our borders better. we also want to ICS and culture to the max soon, so we don't want to get into a bogged down war with the Byz, which could happen. what do you guys think? __________________ It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt- Mark Twain ll Economic Left/Right: 1.75 l Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95 I would rather be right than be President- Henry Clay If you will it, it is no dream- Theodor Herzl We Americans have no commission from God to police the world- Benjamin Harrison We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be- Kurt Vonnegut

Jun 09, 2005, 07:09 PM	#2
DaveShack Inventor Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Arizona, USA (it's a dry heat) Posts: 12,217	We're actually up to the point now that we have to be careful not to take too much territory in border expansions to push us over the domination limit. The military point of view is that a defensible land border is a good thing, and we can and should go across the land bridge to raze (not capture) the key cultural opposition. __________________ Democracy Game Revival DemoGame Social Group MTDG II - Mad Scientists Listening: "A king, in order to be a true leader, must listen with his ears, eyes, and heart, giving his people his undivided attention."

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Jun 10, 2005, 06:19 AM	#4
zyxy Warmongering Fool Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,390	I think we can take Persia and former Persia, except for Gordium. In this thread I have made some estimate of the tile count and proposed city placement. We should get someone to take the last French city.We don't want any flips. I wouldn't be too afraid of the Byz. They'll declare on us time and again. With rails and such, it won't matter much. __________________ Present: SGOTM4.10 Armageddon - Team Smurkz

Jun 10, 2005, 08:13 AM	#5
Furiey No Longer Just Lurking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bedfordshire UK Posts: 6,289	There's nothing to stop us razing Byzantium (or anyones) cities even once we reach the domination limit, just as long as we don't keep them. Razing would force them to start to build the city infrastructure from scratch again. Add in some pillaging and we'd certainly slow them up a bit. __________________ (NoAIPatrol=0) SGOTM o0O0o SGOTM 0 MTDG II: Team CDZ o0O0o Fold for CFC and help cure disease! UK CFC Meetup: London, 2 October 2010

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Jun 11, 2005, 10:47 AM	#8
Furiey No Longer Just Lurking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bedfordshire UK Posts: 6,289	What are we going to do with France? We are still at War and are now getting War Weariness. Every turn we stay at war we are running at increased flip risk. Thier final city is a way off - surrounded by Byzantines in fact. We can make Peace now and get Music Theory and an Alliance against the Byzantines for it. This would get the Byzantines to be the ones to take their final city. Options for the Peace deal including the alliance (they have no gold): 1. MA + Music Theory for nothing extra 2. MA + Navigation for 217 gold 3. MA + Music Theory + Navigation for 503 gold + 11gpt 4. MA + Music Theory + Naviagtion for 39gpt 5. MA + Music Theory + Navigation for Chemistry I'm not too bothered about the techs but we might as well have the Byzantines do our dirty work for us, so I would probably go for option 1. __________________ (NoAIPatrol=0) SGOTM o0O0o SGOTM 0 MTDG II: Team CDZ o0O0o Fold for CFC and help cure disease! UK CFC Meetup: London, 2 October 2010

Jun 11, 2005, 08:19 PM	#9
vikingruler King Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 964	Like Classical Hero said we should focus on pillaging and razing cities, this way not passing the 66% domination limit. I suggest pillaging and razing the Maya a little, but no get bogged down in a long war, it might the Maya down, but it will slow us down as well. Also, hurt the Byzantines a little and maybe destroy or weaken the Persian even more, MA's would be the safest. They make other civs attack civs. and take there land, while we don't get it all and pass the domination limit. __________________ Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. -Mark Twain The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. -Martin Luther King Jr. Economic Left/Right: -5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64

Jun 11, 2005, 09:20 PM	#10
Bertie Prince Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 583	I haven't counted tiles to domination limit, but zyxy's calculations look pretty good to me: we should expand up to Gordium. After that we're still going to be at war, and want to encourage other nations via MAs; but we will raze cities, and won't acquire new real estate. At some point we should probably raze the Mayan capital in order to make sure they don't win a 20,000 point cultural victory.

Jun 12, 2005, 10:33 AM	#11
zyxy Warmongering Fool Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,390	I like Furiey's option 1. Question: do we get a rep hit if our alliance partner (=France) dies? If the answer is yes, then I don't like Furiey's option 1 . (Or options 2-5, for that matter). __________________ Present: SGOTM4.10 Armageddon - Team Smurkz

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