External Consulate: War goals against Byzantine and Maya

We now have two Wars on our hands, the Mayans sneak attacked us, breaking our alliance against the Byzantines. We have also reached our territory limit, capturing more cities will put us over the domination limit. So what are our aims in these wars? We don’t want more territory, but we could do some razing and pillage to slow the other Civs down a bit and force them to spend their efforts rebuilding rather than researching. We could use the opportunity to knock back the Mayas culture a bit, maybe even strike Chichen Itza directly.

We already have Alliances with Hittites and French against the Byzantines (9 turns remaining), do we want them against the Maya? The Byzantines have failed to wipe out the French, maybe the Maya would oblige us.

Hittites want 2 Luxes for an Alliance against Maya

French wantSo, 3 questions:
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Those backstabbing Maya's and Byzantines need to be wiped out! Remove their cities from the face of the earth!
I am sure that Theodora, that vile "actress", somehow clouded the brain of He-who-smokes-too-much.

We can just as well raze Chartres ourselves.

The only thing of interest in this part of the continent is a bunch of Furs. We could build either a city or a colony to claim them.

Well, at the moment, we are in a good stratigic possition in that land bridge .

I say that although their betrayal is atrocious and under normal circumstance i would be the first to call for general genocide. But our current culture of war needs to become a culture of well.... culture. Lets end these wars as soon as possible. Spare these two nation as it is our Jedi* duty. We have done our fair share of betrayial, give peace a chance.



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We could do this...

Raze (Abandon) the former Persian lands (yes, I know... even the cultural buildings, but read on)

Raze all cities to the north that don't have wonders.

Spare atleast 1 city, and surround it with troops. If we can, sign an ROP (if we can) so that they don't kick us out.

Just raze the cities with the highest culture and then let them live. We need to do that anyway to civs who threaten to get half or more of our culture, so why not do it now ?

And it isn't smart to destroy civs any more. We can't take the lands that get freed up, so it goes to some other civ. I prefer to have 10 weak civs in a game than 1 strong civ.

CT is advocating to take out all remaining civs except for 1 city, and then block that city so that they cannot expand. It is very smart and fairly easy to do, I think.

Which of the wonders would we like to keep? Sistine's and Bach's are both nice to have, Copernicus is useless in this location, and many of the others are obsolete. Of course we would be delaying our culture victory quite a bit this way (less dense packing of cities, so fewer cities can be built).

The time to take action is now.......Burn their cities to the ground, weaken their economy bombard their cities, pillage the countryside. Take their backstabbing traditions and show them the error of their ways. The Mayan and The Byzantine empires will fall.

zyxy said:

CT is advocating to take out all remaining civs except for 1 city, and then block that city so that they cannot expand. It is very smart and fairly easy to do, I think.

Which of the wonders would we like to keep? Sistine's and Bach's are both nice to have, Copernicus is useless in this location, and many of the others are obsolete. Of course we would be delaying our culture victory quite a bit this way (less dense packing of cities, so fewer cities can be built).

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Exactly. I used to do this back in Civ2, and I've seen it done in a lot of Civ3 games (especially milking for score....). If we were to pump out cavs in every city, we could literally overrun the world before we even discover the first drop of oil.

Chieftess said:

If we were to pump out cavs in every city, we could literally overrun the world before we even discover the first drop of oil.

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Reducing the AI to one city certainly has its attractions, and is the easiest way to win. Once we've virtually eliminated the AI, we can then disband the cavs in corrupt cities to help build culture. If we decide to continue on our cultural quest (rather the the cultural and space victories zyxy proposes in another thread), I support reducing the AI to one city. In that the Byzantines and Mayans have both declared war on us, I suggest we let the Hittites be the last AI civ standing.

I don't see the need to totally destroy rival civs at this point. i'd prefer to use them as vassals, to squeeze out techs and gold out of them at any time we want. rather, i think we should simply raze all the cities on the top 5 culture list. i believe all the Top 5 cities belong to Maya and Byzantines, so we could just burn them down and eliminate our culture opposition. also, 2 of those cities are the Maya and Byz. caps. that would really help kill their culture and happiness capabilites.

yeah, if we're goin for culture win, we WANT to kill off the cities that oppose us, it will, put a major dent in the AI economy, because of unhappiness, and other such benefits they enjoyed from the wonders, those will then be taken away.

I agree with RM. our goal in this war is to weaken our cultural enemies. If we raze a bunch of cities, one civ will settle that land, making them a culture power. so i think we should raze the byz and maya cities. as well as the 3 maya cities right near us, and copan, Yaxchilian(sp?),and tikal. that eliminates there biggest cities. for the byz some of the cities on their west side, but not a lot, just their culture powers. The Mayans and Byzantines will pay for their black-hearted acts!!