OCC Regent-International Friendly #2 - Spoiler Thread

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Opponents are:
Zulu Warrior Code
Dutch Alphabet
Iroquois Alphabet
Carthage Alphabet, Masonry
Korea Alphabet, Bronze Working

Carthage is gonna be tough.

3600 Temple is built. Attempting to get the score higher earlier.
3350 Bronze Working is discovered.
3000 Meet a Zulu scout...the are up Warrior Code on me.
3050 Barracks are completed.
2590 Notice Zulu borders.
2550 Notice Dutch borders.
2470 Iron Working is discovered! I can see 2 sources:


2470 Contact with the Dutch. No trading.
2310 Granary is built.
2110 Contact with Korea.
2070 TRADE Pottery,Ceremonial Burial, and 13 gold to Korea for Alphabet, The Wheel, and Warrior Code.
2070 TRADE Iron Working to Zulu for Horseback Riding, Masonry, and 21 gold.
1950 Walls are built.
1830 Iron colony is built, first warrior upgraded to Gallic.
1750 2nd Gallic.
1725 Attack of Netherlands and GA begins.


1725 Learn Mysticism from Goodie Hut.
1550 Contact with Carthage.
1550 TRADE The Wheel to Carthage for worker and 60 gold.
1450 Worst rotten luck ever! My veteran and elite Gallics get killed and redlined without taking a single spear. All the units in this pic die or redline.


1375
Learn Mathematics from Goodie Hut.
TRADE Mathematics and 19 gold to Zulu for Writing.
EMBASSY with Korea for 36 gold.

1300 Devious Plan #1. I move my units next to the capital, sign for peace for his cities, then raze the capital and the gifted cities.




1275 The Dutch are gone.
1275 Declare war on Zulu.
1275 MA with Korea vs. Zulu for Writing and Horseback Riding.
1175 Meet the Iroquois.
1100 Sell Mysticism to Korea for 21 gold.
850 Zulu destroyed. I get a MGL.
610 Gearing up for a triple attack.


530 Korea is eliminated.
530 Sell Granary for 15 gold (should've thought of this sooner).
530 Disband 2 warriors (actually did think of this about 30 turns ago, but forgot).
510 Declare war on Iroquois.
270 Peace for all their cities.


270 Build an Army.
250 Redeclare and Iroquois are goners.

210 Declare war on Carthage.
170 Philosophy and Literature discovered.
150 Another bogus peace treaty.
70 Library is built. c'mon border expansion! (39 turns)
70 Declare war on Carthage.
1. 50BC Carthage is razed and we are both OCC!


The score is:

Iroquois 144
Carthage 134
Celts 121
Korea 114
Zulu 77
Netherlands 66

AD
90 sell Barracks and Walls for 15 gold.
90 Peace Treaty with Carthage
90 Embassy for 49 gold (all I had!).
90 RoP for Philosophy and Presto, instant Prison:


190 build Mausoleum of Mausollos

2. 300AD Score Leader!

Celts 125
Iroquois 124
Carthage 123
Korea 98
Zulu 67
Netherlands 57

340 build Statue of Zeus.
380 Renew RoP for 1 gold!
400 1,000 Culture border expansion
410 Currency discovered.
490 Marketplace built.
530 Construction is researched.
610 Polytheism. Enter the Middle Ages.First SGL!
610 I decide to make Brennus somewhat useful and give him Literature, Currency, and Polytheism.
670 Carthage starts on the Great Library! Geez, there's only 2 of us!
880 Monotheism is researched.
1000 TRADE Monotheism and 73 gold to Carthage for Republic.
1130 Theology is researched.
1280 Education is researched.
1290 University is built.
1370 Astronomy is researched...I forgot about the prebuild until about 5 turns ago.
1390 Give Theology to Hannibal for 36 gold.
1450 Banking is researched.
1460 Copernicus is built.
1490 Printing Press is researched.
1490 TRADE Printing Press, Education, and 58 gold for Feudalism.
1500 Bank is built
1560 Democracy is discovered.
1610 Free Artistry is discovered.
1610 Trade Banking to Carthage for Monarchy and 68 gold.
1645 Engineering discovered.
1645 Shakespeare's Theatre built.
1645 Engineering, Astronomy, Democracy, Free Artistry gifted to Carthage.
1660 Granary is (re)built.
1690 Invention is discovered.
1730 Gunpowder discovered.
1740 Invention given for 26 gold.
1760 Chemistry discovered.
1776 Physics discovered.
1794 Navigation accidently researched instead of ToG!!!! I had my prebuild ready too!!
1810 ToG discovered and Newton's via the Big Picture.

No more detailed log from now on I'll only put the important stuff...

1826 Three straight turns of pollution!?! What the crap!
1952 Culture reaches 10,000
1957 Carthage completes the Great Library.
1991 Turning science off, Luxuries up, and just pressing enter.
3. Final score:

Celts 257 Brennus the Pathetic!
Carthage 127
Iroquois 33
Korea 26
Zulu 18
Netherlands 15

I never used my last SGL! tsk tsk.



Without that army, Carthage would've been extremely tough...well maybe not. The AI's in this game had a bad habit of giving me all their cities for free.

I'll post some more thoughts and stuff after comparing some games.

Here's my 3 important stats.

1. Enemy OCC'd: 50BC
2. Top Score: 300AD
3. Histograph Score: 247

Well I knew that you'd need to play on Monarch, MP. You're just far too ruthless!

You bettered my key timings on all three counts...

1. Carthage down to one city in 340AD.
2. Top scorer 960AD, although it was the Iroquois that were at the top for a few hundred years after their demise.
3. Final score 241.

I'll post my report later but here's my score chart for now.

Timeline:

Meet Zulu around 3500 BC (have no early (auto)save to confirm date).
Learn Bronze Working in 3400 BC.
Meet Korea in 2710 BC.
Meet Netherlands in 2670 BC.
Learn Iron Working in 2510 BC. Spot iron in north and south, decide to road to norther one (unlike MeteorPunch, I took the longer way in the mountains, a bad mistake).

First war against Dutch from 1870 BC to 1575 BC.
Troops:

Raze Utrecht (DUT) in 1830 BC.
Meet Carthage in 1725 BC.
Meet Iroquois in 1650 BC. I have all contacts.
Raze Groningen (DUT) in 1600 BC.
Abandon The Hague (DUT) in 1575 BC (acquired in Dutch peace deal).

Second war against Dutch from 1075 BC to 570 BC.
Troops:

Raze Rotterdam (DUT) in 1050 BC.
Hook up iron in 1050 BC.
Raze Amsterdam (DUT) in 1000 BC.
Raze Eindhoven (DUT) in 875 BC.
Start Golden Age in 710 BC with Gallic Sword. Entremont is size 10.
Before Golden Age:

During Golden Age:

Raze Arnhem (DUT) in 570 BC. Dutch are eliminated.
Hook wines up in 190 BC.

Zulu war from 410 BC to 130 BC.
Troops:

Bapedi (ZUL) razed in 410 BC.
Hlobane (ZUL) razed in 350 BC.
Ulundi (ZUL) razed in 290 BC.
Isandhlwana (ZUL) and Intombe (ZUL) razed in 210 BC.
Zimbabwe (ZUL) razed in 150 BC.
Mpondo (ZUL) razed in 130 BC. Zulus have been eliminated.

Korean war from 30 BC to 270 AD.
Troops:


Hyangsan (KOR), Wonsan (KOR) and P'yongyang (KOR) razed in 30 BC.
Namp'o (KOR) and Seoul (KOR) razed in 50 AD.
Pusan (KOR) razed in 90 AD.
Get a leader in 230 AD. He rushes a market in 270 AD. I can't do fancy get 4 cities in a turn move, a la MeteorPunch.
Cheju (KOR) razed in 270 AD. Korea is eliminated.

Carthaginian war from 270 AD to 560 AD.
Troops:

Raze Hippo (CAR) in 270 AD.
Raze Theveste (CAR) in 330 AD.
Raze Leptis Minor (CAR) in 360 AD.
Raze Utica (CAR) in 410 AD.
Raze Leptis Magna (CAR) and St. Regis (CAR) in 460 AD.
Raze Carthage (CAR) in 510 AD.
Raze Sabratha (CAR) in 560 AD. Carthage is eliminated.

First Iroquois war from 600 AD to 790 AD.
Troops:


Raze Oka (IRO) and Chondote (IRO) in 600 AD.
Raze Akwesasne (IRO) in 730 AD.
Raze Centralia (IRO) in 750 AD.
Abandon Gandasetaigon (IRO) in 790 AD (acquired in peace deal).

Second Iroquois war from 860 AD to 900 AD.
Raze Niagara Falls (IRO) in 860 AD.
Abandon Caughnawaga (IRO) and Tyendenaga (IRO) in 900 AD (acquired in peace deal).

Third Iroquois war from 1040 AD to 2050 AD.
Grand River (IRO) razed in 1040 AD.
Mauch Chunk (IRO) and Gewauga (IRO) razed in 1050 AD.
Oil Springs (IRO) razed in 1060 AD.
Goigouen (IRO) razed in 1080 AD.
Cattaraugus (IRO) and Ganogeh (IRO) razed in 1090 AD.
Kahnawake (IRO) razed in 1110 AD.
Allegheny (IRO) razed in 1120 AD.
Salamanca (IRO) razed in 1150 AD.
Tonawanda (IRO) razed in 1350 AD.

Gayagaahe (IRO) become my sister city. It never got beyond size 3, and suicided its units against my Gallic Swords and Pikes.

Click here to see Gayagaahe at the end (I ran over the limit of imgs in a post).

Last civ OCC: 1350 AD (a bit late, no matter)
Score at end of game: 206 to Iroquois' 192
9,625 gold and 31 gpt
I never researched beyond Feudalism, Engineering, and Invention.

Click here to see the end of the world map.

MeteorPunch - impressive performance! You OCCd the opponent much quicker than I. Iroquois grew to be a monster in this game, as did Carthage. One reason you finished quicker was you used Gallics for your first attack. I took away most of Netherlands with archers, and while slowing me down, saved my GA for when my city was size 10, not size 6. It could then produce 20 shields. Anyway, a win is a win.

Tone - You beat me, so I want to see your report for what I could've done instead. Congrats.

If you guys had to rank the civs in order of difficulty to conquer, how would you do it? I assume Dutch would be easiest, as they were the closest, but Zulu were also pretty easy due to most cities were by flat land and had desert. This concludes my longest post ever ...

4000 BC- move worker N and see nothing good, make Madviking City in place, start researching alphabet at 100%

3350- see yellow borders to the south

3300- meet Zulu (ick)

3100- see blue borders

3050- meet Wangy trade CB + Pottery for BW + WC + 10 bucks

3000- redearch alpha -> IW, see orange NW

2850- pop Masonry from a hut

2670- pop The Wheel from a hut

2470- meet Willy

2390- Iw -> writing

2190- declare war on Willy, destroyed Rotterdam, see brown borders

2150- meet Hannibal

2110- see purple borders

2070- Meet Hiawhata

1990- pop some barbs

1675- attack of Amsterdam total flop

1650- destroy Uterect, I get peace for The Hog, worker, and 9 gold, abandon The Hog

More later...

Ok, I've made a start on my report

I started by settling in place and researching towards iron at max. My initial builds were a couple of scouting warriors and then a second worker followed by a granary.

Bronze was gained in 3250, IW in 2510 and that was pretty much it for research until the middle ages. I popped Alphabet from a hut and traded/extorted my way through the rest of the AA.

One of my warriors caught an early glipse of the Zulu scout in 3400 BC but could catch his attention before the scout was off and away. My first actual contact was with the Dutch in 3150BC. This warrior managed to bisect the korean and zulu starting points and had to double track when towns sprouted either side of the path he took.



He went back and made contact with Korea in 2590, traded with them and then couldn't resist sacking their undefended town. I wasn't really ready for war but it was too good too miss!



After no further action, I accepted peace terms in 2150BC and started my temple in 2110. Previous builds had been a number of warriors & archers after the rax plus a few workers for colonies.



The next few turns were quiet as I built up a force of archers to take on the Dutch as it was becoming apparant that with them out of the way I could fight on just one front. I was hoping to delay my GA until I could pump out a GS every two turns and I had yet to connect the iron.

I finally met the Zulu in 1910BC and carthage in 1725BC. I sent my troops towards the Dutch wines when I stumbled upon a Carthage town undefended. Do I carry on with my semi-prepared attack on the Dutch or execute an opportunist attack on the dreaded merc civ. I decided that you can have your cake and eat it-I attacked both!

Unfortunately the only thing my archers did was to promote the spears in the wine hill town and I was left with nothing but a couple of slaves



I needed more power so I roaded to connect the iron and upgraded two warriors. Trouble was that by this time the Zulu fancied the turf around my furs colony so I had to declare war on them to keep my luxes safe and a successful attack on a zulu impi/settler pair kicked off my GA in 1425BC. I took peace with Carthage a turn later, accepting their cash to help my upgrades.

I then held ground against the zulu whilst I took on the Dutch and Ko'd them in 1025BC. A better planned attack on their first town would have saved me time and resources here.



Zulu followed suit in 800BC. They were quite pitiful really.



In 690BC, my forces had wheeled around and took on the Koreans for real this time, smashing a couple of towns and then taking a couple of techs in the PT 6 turns later.



Korea then got on my nerves by obstructing my path to Carthage so I declared on them again in 410BC and then with carthage two turns later. Korea was KO'd in 330BC although it was Carthage that I was concentrating on.

I stalled at Carthage city with just one merc with one hp remaining. This was a bit of a problem as I had saved up all my forces in the area to make a decisive strike as the town had just built SoZ and I really didn't want to face a mixture of ACs and mercs!

It was a bloody set of battles but I eventually left them with one inland town and their new coastal capital in 90AD.



By then Iroq had declared on me. Luckily they didn't have horses but as usual I was being held back by battling two enemies at the same time. Not clever! I eventually killed them off in 290AD but their score would last a long time past this. I switched on research for Lit as I now needed to head for Free Artistry.

I declared on Carthage again two turns after Iroq was gone and took out their capital, leaving them with just one inland town. I took peace with them as soon as they were willing to talk and got Republic-2 turns of anarchy. (NB my save for 350 shows the with still having two turn so my notes are inaccurate here. 360 sav is missing but they were down to one town at the start of 370!)

Animated gif shows my game progress up to this point.



and score at 370AD is...

Oops, I forgot my animated minimap. It starts at 3500 BC, when I first opened CA2. The end is a bit of a blur as I hit enter so fast that CivAssist II couldn't keep up.

This is the first time going for anything other than 20k by playing OCC, and I think the unit costs were pretty annoying to deal with. The loss of a city improvement or Gallic would've been pretty bad if the treasury ever got below 0.

Attacking early was very important to me. The effect it has upon weakening the other civs before they have a chance to get too big couldn't be overstated. My GA started before I was ready - I actually wasn't thinking that attacking with Gallics would start it, had I thought of that, I might not've attacked so soon. Entremont was building Gallics in 3, instead of 2 turns like I wanted, but this worked out better than waiting for growth.

I'm wasn't used to getting so much in peace deals with other civs...now that's another thing I have to learn a little about, the factors that cause this. I couldn't rank any civ as stronger, because the weak civs to me were Korea and Zulu, who fell fast, but the stronger ones fell just as fast because they each gave me all their cities besides the capital, which I could then take a few turns later.

MeteorPunch said:

I'm wasn't used to getting so much in peace deals with other civs...now that's another thing I have to learn a little about, the factors that cause this.

Click to expand...

I read somewhere in this site that civs are more ready to talk for peace if you raze cities. I was amazed at how quickly a civ can fall when they are expanding. I'm tempted to try this with a small number of cities (like your 5CC game) in an attempt to be more aggressive in the early game. I'm still too much of a builder at heart at the moment

How did you guys do these lovely animated minimaps?
Is there a tool for this?

CivAssist II will do these.

Check out the CivAssist II website for info on how to do them. Make sure you have "Archive save files" checked in the options.

Thanks Ginger Ale.
I will download CivAssist today. It looks great, don't know how I have missed it until now