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In Civ 3, I felt as if the game left out some memerable empires. Four to be exact. Here they are-

1) The Khmers (Cambodia) are playable in the Turken test of time, but are not in the average game. I felt that they were a major part of history and should have been included

2) The Songhai were also playable in T.T.T. but not included in the normal game. I felt they needed to be included because the Zulu were the only African civ in the game and were also a major part of history.

3) The Brazil Empire was arguably stronger than the United States in the 1820's through the 1840's and dominated most of South America but are unincluded in the game while the Celts are one of the best civs to use

4) Polynesia was a giant empire that ruled the Pacific ocean for hundreds of years but eventually deminished like Rome. Why is it that Rome that ruled the Mediterranian is so popular, yet the Polynesian empire that ruled over all of the Pacific, isn't even in the game?

Do you have any Civs you thought were left out? Post 'em here!
 
1.Yes, at least 1 Indochina Civ should be included.

2.Songhai is pretty much Mali empire, not much difference.

3.Brazil is like U.S., not really a civ. But if US wasn't in Civilization, a lot of Americans wouldn't play it.

4.Polynesia or Australia should be represented, but of course they are not.

I would have included Zulu or Carthrage again.
 
I would say probably the best ones they left out were:
1. Phoenicia-arguably represented in Carthage, but both location and cultural differences I think warrant their own civ
2.China-I know it's in their, but basically what it is is modern communist China, not Dynastic China, which was around for a lot longer time and deserves to be recognized
3.Poland-I'm not quite sure why, but I've always admired poland, so they might as well be put in too.

Also on the subject of Polynesia, It's arguably more a nationality than a nation. I mean they all shared a common culture, and language, but had no centralized government, they were hardly an empire-just like the Celts, who I think deserved a place in PTW as much as any
 
What about the "Holy Roman Empire?" I just remembered that one.
 
1. Carthage was a phoenician colony.
2. China in dynastic form is now in civ4
3. Poland-Lithuania was one of the major kingdoms in Europe for a very long time. They dominanted much of the middle ages.
4. The Dutch were a hegemon for a couple of centuries. That they aren't in there is rediculous.
5. Many civs are breakoffs of other civs (phoenicia/carthage, england/US, Celts/england). I think that civil wars should be brought back into the game.
 
we need a representation of oceana, so a polypesian civ should be in.
now im not too familiar with american history, but how about another native civ, aswell as the iriquoi. i know that the iroquoi were a coalition of native tribes, but could we not add another?
 
Don't really know anything about Polynesia, so can't talk on that in either way.

CivIII China's UU was the Rider, I think they tried to incorporate Ancient as well as modern (The capital was Peking, right? Not Beijing?)

Holy Roman Empire is that mess of states that went through Prussia, German Confederation, and finally became Germany after Bismarck.

The Dutch were only really in power for like the half century between Spain's dominance and Britain's as far as I recall. Most of medieval history they were owned by either France or Spain.

I disagree with the statement on Poland. Maybe very early in European history (I'm not as sure about those times), but I know nearing the Renaissance, they were one of the first to try a representative government and it ruined them as a nation. It was something absurd like a congress where one member could dissolve the whole assembly. Then they got tossed in and out of existence between Prussia, Austria, Russia, and France (Napoleonic).

If Carthage does become a civ again, they need Elephants.

As a bonus: The Holy Roman Empire was declared as such by the Pope after Charlemagne (I think) prevented the vatican from being sacked by someone or another. Then it became the home of Luther, which I always found amusing. Anyone able to elaborate on that?
 
RichardMNixon said:
Don't really know anything about Polynesia, so can't talk on that in either way.

CivIII China's UU was the Rider, I think they tried to incorporate Ancient as well as modern (The capital was Peking, right? Not Beijing?)

Holy Roman Empire is that mess of states that went through Prussia, German Confederation, and finally became Germany after Bismarck.

The Dutch were only really in power for like the half century between Spain's dominance and Britain's as far as I recall. Most of medieval history they were owned by either France or Spain.

I disagree with the statement on Poland. Maybe very early in European history (I'm not as sure about those times), but I know nearing the Renaissance, they were one of the first to try a representative government and it ruined them as a nation. It was something absurd like a congress where one member could dissolve the whole assembly. Then they got tossed in and out of existence between Prussia, Austria, Russia, and France (Napoleonic).

If Carthage does become a civ again, they need Elephants.

As a bonus: The Holy Roman Empire was declared as such by the Pope after Charlemagne (I think) prevented the vatican from being sacked by someone or another. Then it became the home of Luther, which I always found amusing. Anyone able to elaborate on that?
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Civ 3 capital for china was Beijing.
 
Xia said:
In Civ 3, I felt as if the game left out some memerable empires. Four to be exact. Here they are-

1) The Khmers (Cambodia) are playable in the Turken test of time, but are not in the average game. I felt that they were a major part of history and should have been included

2) The Songhai were also playable in T.T.T. but not included in the normal game. I felt they needed to be included because the Zulu were the only African civ in the game and were also a major part of history.

3) The Brazil Empire was arguably stronger than the United States in the 1820's through the 1840's and dominated most of South America but are unincluded in the game while the Celts are one of the best civs to use

4) Polynesia was a giant empire that ruled the Pacific ocean for hundreds of years but eventually deminished like Rome. Why is it that Rome that ruled the Mediterranian is so popular, yet the Polynesian empire that ruled over all of the Pacific, isn't even in the game?

Do you have any Civs you thought were left out? Post 'em here!
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Probably because Rome affects more contientes and people who make and buy the game. Most people don't know anything about polynesian history. I disagree with Brazil being stronger than America for obvious reasons. Plus the Egyptians already represent africa in the game and so does mali. I guess if you want to throw a thrid one in the songhai, zulu, carthagians, ethiopians, or ghanese wouldn't be so bad
 
I'll just parse my words from another thread here concerning expansion civs>>>

My guesses of the 6 civs:

1. Maya/Iroquois/Sioux
2. Korea/Khmer/Siam
3. Babylon/Sumeria/Assyria
4. Turks/Ottomans
5. Carthage/Phoenicia/Israel
6. Vikings/Celts/a Modern European Nation

If they decide to go with 8 new civs (a total of 26 is as even as 18):

7. a second European civ, see #6 (They put more emphasis on Europe than I like).
8. a second African civ, third including Egypt, forth if Carthage is in.

<<<Are these fair assumptions?
It's too bad they are limited in the amount of material they can include in each game.
 
I'm astonished that Portugal was not included as one of the default civs. We may not be a powerfull country right now but 500 years ago, we split the world in half with spain. Plus one of the 5 most spoken languages in the world is Portuguese (Brasil, Angola, Moçambique, Timor, etc.). I hope that the firaxis team have this elements in consideration in the future. I'm wondering weather or not to contiune to play Civ3 Conquests, instead of Civ4, since the previous has the Portuguese Civilization. About leaders, the most significant Portuguese leader was our first king Afonso Henriques - the Coqueror, which geographically shaped the country almost the way it is now. Another item to be considered/revised
 
The problem is simply that 18 civs is not enough to cover all of that history. Even C3C, with its 32 civs (if you count Austria), still felt like it was lacking something. So naturally, you're going to come up with perfectly deserving civs, like the Portuguese, the Babylonians, or the Songhai, that just don't make the cut because of time and money constraints. It's unfortunate, but inevitable.
 
Crayton said:
I'll just parse my words from another thread here concerning expansion civs>>>

My guesses of the 6 civs:

1. Maya/Iroquois/Sioux
2. Korea/Khmer/Siam
3. Babylon/Sumeria/Assyria
4. Turks/Ottomans
5. Carthage/Phoenicia/Israel
6. Vikings/Celts/a Modern European Nation

If they decide to go with 8 new civs (a total of 26 is as even as 18):

7. a second European civ, see #6 (They put more emphasis on Europe than I like).
8. a second African civ, third including Egypt, forth if Carthage is in.

<<<Are these fair assumptions?
It's too bad they are limited in the amount of material they can include in each game.
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I'd generally agree with those 1st 6 for rounding out the world, but what Other civs are included past those 6 depend on the scenarios involved.
 
aahz_capone said:
1. Carthage was a phoenician colony.
2. China in dynastic form is now in civ4
3. Poland-Lithuania was one of the major kingdoms in Europe for a very long time. They dominanted much of the middle ages.
4. The Dutch were a hegemon for a couple of centuries. That they aren't in there is rediculous.
5. Many civs are breakoffs of other civs (phoenicia/carthage, england/US, Celts/england). I think that civil wars should be brought back into the game.
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Celts are actually Irish
 
laxkeep said:
Celts are actually Irish
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But celts had a larger then just ireland

but what is really missing is Babylon ( should be an original civ ) - but I would add Celts ( for western to central europe ) , Khmer ( for Indochina ) , Vikings ( northern europa and well I like them :viking: ) , Phoenicia ( as a very importen ancient trading civ ) and maybe Mayas too.

btw - i made a poll here :)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=131326
 
i would like to play as the Moche or Nazca as these lasted longer than the Inca, the Moche lasted for 1000 years iirc!

There needs to be way more native american groups: blackfoot, chinook, Hida, Crow, Omecs, Bell Bella...etc from all over North, Central, South America along with the Caribean like the Cubans! Urugay and Paraguay Argentina and Chile! Canada and let the French Canadians (Quebecs?) Hawaiins?

I am one of the type of players that want as many civs to pick from as possible!

Heck I would like to Play as the Confederated States of America!
 
Am a Pole and I live in Poland - Am VERY disapointed that my nation is not in Civ 4. Apparently Sid forgot Polish meaning in history of the world. Sid - maybe you should learn more about Europe's history...

It is sad.
 
I would like to see another Commonwealth country in the game Canada, NewZealand, Australia.... I am Canadian so as much as anybody else who's country is not included I want Canada in there. Canada has played a more significant role in the world then finland which alot of people seem to be talkin about on here. Canada beat the US in the war of 1812, withstood some of the first German gas attacks in ww1 at Ypres when everyone else was running the Canadian held their ground. We liberated Holland in ww2. Hell even the Vikings settled in Canada. just something to think about but i guess im bias just like the fins on here or whoever else. :)
 
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