Which civ LEAST deserves to be in the original 18?

I think the Aztecs and the Incans should both be removed and replaced with the Maya. Then the extra slot could be filled in either by the Iroqious or perhaps the Babylonians.

not again!

Mhh I also think Incans should be removed. I would replace them with good old Babylon.

I voted Persia. Meh. Replace with Assyria.

Mongols might be a good choice too. Replace them with Korea.

@vStauffenberg....sorry I didn't know this poll was done already! I've seen "which civ was left out" and "which is your favorite" and "should such and such civ be included" but I wasn't aware that this one had been done already.

Varelse said:

Mongols might be a good choice too. Replace them with Korea.

@vStauffenberg....sorry I didn't know this poll was done already! I've seen "which civ was left out" and "which is your favorite" and "should such and such civ be included" but I wasn't aware that this one had been done already.

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maybe it wasn't, but i've certainly seen something like "which civ deserves least to be in the game?"

America, they are only in the game for commercial reasons.

Incans probably, even though they'd leave an empty South America.

who's gonna take the bets how long this thread will become?

No, seriously: Do we really need another thread about this topic? The poll question seems ok (it has never been asked before), but the direction where the thread is aiming is the same old discussion ...

On topic: Mongolians or Aztecs. One because they had the least influence of the ones listed and were practically only known for their military and the other one because they didn't really last long enough and that there were other possible civilizations to represent their area (that deserves the representation). The other civs that get votes deserve to be in: America because of its huge influence, can be read in the existing 100 threads on that topic, Inca for South America and their cultural achievements and finally Mali for Africa.

mitsho

I wouldn't remove any civ from the list but If I would have to do so, I would remove america.

I think they should replace the incans with Haiti

Remove the Mongols?? The were one of the largest civilizations ever. Their land included almost all of modern China and stretched to (modern again) Jerusalem and Moscow. Kublia Khan created important trade routes throughout their empire. The trade routes helped China and other nations prosper financially before any nation in Europe.

plus in Civ 3 they are always starting wars with the AI and demolish them. It's much more fun to play a game against the Mongols than the complacant Koreans!



Oh yeah....America should be out

mitsho said:

America because of its huge influence

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The USA's influence on the modern world is undeniable, but irrelevant, compared with the fact that it's existed for less than 3 of the 60 centuries covered by the game.

All the other civs can trace their histories back, not usually to 4000 BC, but at least to a time when they were fairly primitive and lacked most of the technologies that can be researched in the game. The USA is the odd one out in this respect: it sprang into life with all the technology that the 18th century had to offer.

The only primitive ancestors of the founders of the USA were in fact European primitives belonging to other civs in the game.

Mine!!!!!!!!!

Who and voted Rome and why?

Head Serf said:

Who and voted Rome and why?

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Yeah, who did ? ! We will you .

Civ is not civ without the Romans.

Aks K

America. Or, more specifically, the United States of America.

Really, the US is a glaring example of a gaping hole in the Civ rules. Civ does not take into account the possibility of civil war of any kind, which is was what both the American Revolutionary War and American Civil War were (and both had the potential to create a new nation - it's just that one succeeded and one didn't).

Of the 18 currently present, if I absolutely had to cut one, Mongolia would be the one to go. They're a great civ, but so are all the others, and they edge out in one way or another.

1 - Historical Longevity
Mongolia did not last long as a notable civilization - 200 years or thereabout (1206 - founding of the unified Mongolia by GK - to 1405, death of Tamerlane and fading of his empire) before fading back into obscurity. They existed before, and existed after - but not as a noteworthy civilizations, just as backwaters. That immediately make them less acceptable than a vast number of other civilizations. There are only four other comparably short-lived civilizations in C4 : America (1776-2005), the Aztecs (, the Incans, and Mali. Yeah, the people that formed those civilizations still exist, but for the most part the civilizations are dead and gone.

2 - Historical Achievements :
All five of these nations conquered comparably large empire. Mongolia's was by far the largest, true, but they only conquered. America, whose empire comes closest in size to Mongolia, has countless other achievements to its name (first man on the moon, not to mention economic, cultural and political achievements), and that makes it a far superior choice to the Mongols. The other three, while smaller than Mongolia, also have other achievements to their name, whether architectural (Tenochtitlan), administrative (the Incan system), economic (Mali's trade empire), cultural (Timbuktu was a major center of learning), etc. They're about even with Mongolia, thus.

3 - Geographical Positioning.
The ability of a civ to fill a spot on the world map should be considered. Mongolia is useful, but not all THAT much - they fill a relatively un-habitable piece of land, on a continent (Asia) that does haev a few nations already. Bluntly put, Central and South America, and Sub-Saharan Africa, need civs in Mexico/Peru/the Sahel region a lot more than Asia need someone in the steppes to balance out the map.

Finally, the mongol's actual historical impact can be more-or-less filled in by the Barbs system in Civ IV (where they can actually take over cities). The same can't be said of the other three civs, so, bluntly put - Mongolia loses out.

That's only if I have to CUT one civ, though. If I have to trade civs, Aztecs go in favor of the Maya.

Oda Nobunaga said:

Of the 18 currently present, if I absolutely had to cut one, Mongolia would be the one to go. They're a great civ, but so are all the others, and they edge out in one way or another.

1 - Historical Longevity
Mongolia did not last long as a notable civilization - 200 years if even that, before fading back into obscurity. That immediately make them less acceptable than a vast number of other civilizations. There are only four other comparably short-lived civilizations in C4 : America, the Aztecs, the Incans, and Mali.

2 - Historical Achievements :
All five of these nations conquered comparably large empire. Mongolia's was by far the largest, true, but they only conquered. America, whose empire comes closest in size to Mongolia, has countless other achievements to its name (first man on the moon, not to mention economic, cultural and political achievements), and that makes it a far superior choice to the Mongols. The other three, while smaller than Mongolia, also have other achievements to their name, whether architectural (Tenochtitlan), administrative (the Incan system), economic (Mali's trade empire), cultural (Timbuktu was a major center of learning), etc. They're about even with Mongolia, thus.

3 - Geographical Positioning.
The ability of a civ to fill a spot on the world map should be considered. Mongolia is useful, but not all THAT much - they fill a relatively un-habitable piece of land, on a continent (Asia) that does haev a few nations already. Bluntly put, Central and South America, and Sub-Saharan Africa, need civs in Mexico/Peru/the Sahel region a lot more than Asia need someone in the steppes to balance out the map.

Finally, the mongol's actual historical impact can be more-or-less filled in by the Barbs system in Civ IV (where they can actually take over cities). The same can't be said of the other three civs, so, bluntly put - Mongolia loses out.

That's only if I have to CUT one civ, though. If I have to trade civs, Aztecs go in favor of the Maya.

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I agree, Mongols were not a Civ.

Just a barbarian tribe that had an effective
army and great leader which got lucky.

*Grumbles* clicked the wrong option... *Grumbles*