Math07: 50K or bust

Mathias · Oct 13, 2005

Another culture game, this time the goal is single-city cultural victory. The limit for this will be increased from the easy-to-reach 20K to an astronomical 50K. Entire-civ trigger will likewise be increased in order to avoid that non-victory. I am also considering turning conquest and domination VCs off so that we can remove the AI from the end-game.

Difficulty level Monarch/Emperor. All other settings TBD.

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Heroes · Oct 13, 2005

Emm ... How can 50K be reached before 2050?

Own · Oct 13, 2005

Whoa! That looks hard? Have you considered playing vanilla for MGL rushes?

Put me on reserve. This looks too fun to lurk. If an SG of mine is finished (or, more likely, died) I'll play.

Ansar · Oct 13, 2005

lurker's comment: maybe me..., by the way, I would recommend Babylon, and turn off Space Race, Conquest doesent need to be turned off, just domination.

Own · Oct 13, 2005

No VC's need to be turned off. If we want no AI's eventually we can quarantine one to OCC, and I'm sure they won't get many wonders.

I think this is only possible on vanilla.

Mathias · Oct 13, 2005

Take a look at the High Score Hall of Fame, in particular the 20K victories on standard maps. The earliest on Monarch is 1475 AD, and on Emperor is 1550 AD. Both of those would exceed 60K by 2050 AD, and both were C3C 1.22. 20K by 1750 AD isn't extremely difficult, and from that point 150 cpt would be enough to reach 50K by 2050 AD.

Of course, victory conditions don't need to be turned off. The reason for disabling conquest vicotry, and to a lesser extent domination, is to allow the last 150 turns or so to be played with the least interference.

Own · Oct 13, 2005

Ok, no vanilla then. We definately need the city outside the capital, so I'd suggest Persia/Ottomans, Egypt, and America. Should we roll starts until we get ivory, or is that too "cheap?"

Ansar · Oct 13, 2005

lurker's comment: the only problem is that nearing about 50k, the AI gets MEGA-Agressive and lines up a ton of tanks on your doorstep. :sad:

Own · Oct 13, 2005

I think you givet the AI too much credit in their smarts. They'd never consider trying to attack a 50k city.

The reason I want the city to not be the capital is because on emperor (which is what I think we should play) the palace prebuild comes in handy, and our capital needs to pump settlers for a quicker conquest phase (so we can get tons of SGL's).

One question, though, can future tech bring in SGL's?

Mathias · Oct 13, 2005

Maybe I should make this an OCC... hmm...

Own · Oct 13, 2005

Mathias- I don't like OCC SG's, because OCC's are quick and can be played by oneself. Also, with only one city to work with, there's only so much you can do, only so much decision making, etc.

Heroes · Oct 13, 2005

OCC? Then I guess ivory for Zeus is a must. The world needs to be small or tiny so that ancient cavalries can ensure the AIs to become quite fast. Our civ needs to be scientific for 5% chance of SGL. Babylon? 2 turn anarchy and 110 shields cut from temple and cathedral are nice.

soul_warrior · Oct 13, 2005

lurker's comment: sounds very nice. too preoccupied as of now, but i can do guess setsif needed.

Own · Oct 13, 2005

If we do OCC, then I'd lose interest, because I could just play this myself, as OCC's take very little time/.

Methos · Oct 13, 2005

Oh why not. 50k sounds very interesting. I'm in.

Heroes · Oct 13, 2005

OCC or OBC? OCC you can't build heroic epic, which contributes 4 cpt ... and war academy, 1 cpt; pentagon, 1 cpt.

Own · Oct 13, 2005

In OCC it's also rather difficult to conquer the world to eliminate SGL opportunities and wonder competition. We want to research fast to get tons of SGL's, and this is easier with more than one city.

The main reason is not that it's too hard, it's that OCC SG's IMO are silly.

Methos · Oct 13, 2005

Don't forget about the FP. If this is a needed build it requires 10 cities.

In truth the more cities we have the more I've noticed players tend to lose focus on the primary objective. Players tend to start putting more attention on warmongering and accidently forget about key decisions on the main goal.

Plus since we're going for 50k this game is going to be extremely long [recall Math04]. If we stick with a very few amount of cities [or just one] it would help speed the game up. If we went with any amount of cities than wiping all of our opponents out so we don't have to deal with them at a later date would help keep the pace up.

It also depends on whether all these city required builds are even needed.

Methos · Oct 13, 2005

Own said:
We want to research fast to get tons of SGL's, and this is easier with more than one city.

OCC games can have extremely fast research. You don't need more cities to hit the 4-turn research. OCC gets you there too, very easily.

Own · Oct 13, 2005

Well, Mathias can do whatever he wants, but I'm only staying in if it isn't OCC. I'm just not a big fan of OCC, because you have only so many options, and it's short, so SG seems unnecessary.

If we start putting more attention to warmongering, isn't it part of the challenge to stay on task

? I can never do that in school...

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