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I'm not sure this is or was discused (i tried searching) before but it has been bothering me for a while now, What happend to the acient religions?! They ruled the world for a long time but cause they don't rule today they are not permitted? I'm sure there can be a patheon beside hindoeism. :crazyeye:

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I agree.

The religions that they choose are the supposed top 7. They are 7 that have survived and they seemed to ignore other historic religions.

I would have they rather went for variety than having several religions all believing in the same god.
 
That's something to mod in, but I saw Hinduism as close as possible to the polytheism of old (multiple gods to worship and such) so if I'm going to represent polytheism in civs I'll use that one.
 
True, But in sake of realism they should be able to at something, (expansion pack anyone ;) ) Cause I think the Greeks and Egyptians wouldn't have build all those magnificent wonders if they didn't pay real attention to the gods of them. (for example The piramids and the temple of athens cant remember name)
 
Those early religions do not funtion in the same way that later religions did. The state and the religion where pretty much one in the same. Going to the rituals and festivals was part of being greek, for example. Therefore they wouldn't spread like the later ones. I think this would be best represented by giving the Paganism civic some real benifit, like +1 culture per temple.
 
LostKing said:
Those early religions do not funtion in the same way that later religions did. The state and the religion where pretty much one in the same. Going to the rituals and festivals was part of being greek, for example. Therefore they wouldn't spread like the later ones. I think this would be best represented by giving the Paganism civic some real benifit, like +1 culture per temple.
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Ok but paganism isn't organised worship, while having a patheon like egypt was.
The differance is that the ancient religions weren't that active on recruiting then the "modern" ones (as far as I know, I will conside if corrected).

And the spreading of greek religon, doesn't the asimilation of the romans count :rolleyes:

Edit: Corrected typo
 
I don't think Paganism means unorginized. Modern pagans are unorginized but I think the ancient religions are considered pagan. Also, as I understand it, the greeks and romans simply corrilated their gods. "Oh look zeus is kinda like jupiter, they must be the same guy." And if you go back far enough they have seperate and complete mythologies.

In any case, we agree that the ancient religions are charateristically different in how they behaved. Don't we?
 
@ lostking As compared to "modern'' religions, yes.
 
Anyway, "Paganism" was an insulting way to call multi-god religions by monotheists. I think "Polytheism" would be a much better choice to name such religion. At any rate, I doubt polytheists called themselves "pagans". :sad:
 
I think the issue is how do you show the modern day religious situation in the game if you've used up some of the slots with "dead" religions. Just increasing the number of religions won't work as it will cause serious balance issues (for example, a city with all 7 religions under Freedom of Religion is already a powerhouse, it would be moreso if there were more religions - then there are the minor issues like screen layout).

I guess a simple solution would be to have a few different relgions that could be inserted in place of one the current ones at game start.
 
The problem with the "Why can't the Devs just add X" attitude is, as Warpstorm already said, game balance. Also there is a "Slimness" issue here. I don't want to deal with 20+ Religions, if someone is willing to put up with that they can mod it in.
 
If they put in X number of religions, how many (on average) would make it to the Modern Age? Maybe, if they put in 100 religions 3 powerful religions and 7 weaker religions will make it to the year 2050, through natural courses (like war)?

On another note, the Greek 'Paganism' is in no way tied to the Egyptian 'Paganism' as Greek Christianity and Egyptian Christianity are tied (concerning the game, not real life). One could just 'imagine' the Pagan religions as their respective Ancient Pantheons. Or you could just mod the name of "Paganism" to be different for each civilization (as I will do).
 
zoroasterism is needed
 
I do feel that at least one of the Roman/Greek Ancient Pantheons should've been included, but if you did that then you would be pretty much obliged to include the Egyptian ones, Nordic ones, etc. to complement it and to even it out. It would be too many religions... i'm happy to settle for the current ones to be perfectly honest. Holy Cities are a good little addition and i'll have fun trying to take them from other civs.
 
Janos said:
I do feel that at least one of the Roman/Greek Ancient Pantheons should've been included, but if you did that then you would be pretty much obliged to include the Egyptian ones, Nordic ones, etc. to complement it and to even it out. It would be too many religions... i'm happy to settle for the current ones to be perfectly honest. Holy Cities are a good little addition and i'll have fun trying to take them from other civs.
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This problem could be solved when the pagan religons are specific for a civ ( maybe instead of hinduism, than hinduism become the indian pagan religion ) - in that case still 7 religons are enough. In this case if you have your own pagan religon you can not spread it to other civs and in order to balance this disadvantage you may gain an extra bonus of happieness from temples. Paganism as a civic can than be replaced by secularism/atheism what is IMO missing to in this context. And it would make more sense than for example having christianity as a state religon and paganism as a civic :crazyeye:
because how should that work ? :eek: That are two different hostile religons ...
 
Crayton said:
If they put in X number of religions, how many (on average) would make it to the Modern Age? Maybe, if they put in 100 religions 3 powerful religions and 7 weaker religions will make it to the year 2050, through natural courses (like war)?

On another note, the Greek 'Paganism' is in no way tied to the Egyptian 'Paganism' as Greek Christianity and Egyptian Christianity are tied (concerning the game, not real life). One could just 'imagine' the Pagan religions as their respective Ancient Pantheons. Or you could just mod the name of "Paganism" to be different for each civilization (as I will do).
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100 religions would be simply foolish to add in a game when there is only 18 different nations.

In any case, I am happy with the current selection of religions. I would have like another polytheistic religion besides Buddhism, but I wouldn't have wanted so many religions.
 
google
define pagan

The Latin word indicated a "country dweller," or someone outside the culture of the city.

A generic term for a number of pre-Christian faiths – druids, witches. Pagan faith is linked to locality and to the Earth.

a practitioner of an Earth Religion; from the Latin paganus, a country dweller.

One who follows or practices an earth-based or nature religion

Someone who follows the old, Earth-centered religions

from the latin paganus or country dweller; used as a term to describe followers of polytheistic religions.

A person who follows non christian or other socially established faiths. They are usually of an earth based faith or religion. This includes family's taught practices that might including witch craft, psychic gifts and the like.

One who is neither a Christian, a Jew, or a Moslem
 
Pounder said:
One who follows or practices an earth-based or nature religion
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Hmmm - maybe pagan religons reduce pollution in the game during industrial and modern era then, if they last that long ?
 
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