The Divi Guide to Civ IV

Divi Filus · Nov 25, 2005, 11:25 AM

see pdf attachment - Bronze Age through Renaissance...

jafink · Nov 25, 2005, 12:03 PM

you say that you will usually build a worker first, i find that it's usually better for me to build warrior first, and worker at size 2. Even if i have many resources and worker techs, building a worker first leaves your city at size one for much longer, so it will only be able to use one of the improved resource spots. I would rather have a pop 2 city working two unimpoved resources, than a pop 1 city working 1 improved resources.

Other than that, GREAT GUIDE!

Wlauzon · Nov 25, 2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jafink

you say that you will usually build a worker first, i find that it's usually better for me to build warrior first, and worker at size 2.

Other than that, GREAT GUIDE!

That is pretty much what I do also. What I usually do is start a barracks, when city hits size 2 I change to a worker, then go back and finish the barracks.

I play a lot of multiplayer, barracks is not so important early on in single, so I may build more explorers or warriors to roam faster in single.

And every civ is a little different. If I play India, I tend to play on tropical custom maps and build lots of workers for an advantage over the AI or other players by clearing jungles a lot faster.

Dairuka · Nov 25, 2005, 05:31 PM

The only time I build a warrior first, is if I play a civilization where I get an explorer instead of a warrior first.

Why? I usually use my starting warrior to steal a worker from the AI civilization's on Monarch -> Immortal difficulties.

Personally, I'd rather use my free technology from The Oracle on Metal Casting, as it costs almost 100 beakers more than what Code of Laws does. Confucianism is a great early religion, but you'll probably get it even if you take the time to research it.

sgrig · Dec 01, 2005, 07:04 AM

Excellent guide! Gave me quite a few useful tips which I will be sure to use in my next game!

MyOtherName · Dec 01, 2005, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jafink

you say that you will usually build a worker first, i find that it's usually better for me to build warrior first, and worker at size 2. Even if i have many resources and worker techs, building a worker first leaves your city at size one for much longer, so it will only be able to use one of the improved resource spots. I would rather have a pop 2 city working two unimpoved resources, than a pop 1 city working 1 improved resources.

Other than that, GREAT GUIDE!

Ah, but a pop 1 city working 1 improved tile often produces just as much (food+hammer) as a pop 2 city working two unimproved tiles!

But more importantly, if I build the worker first, I will usually have a pop 2 city working two improved tiles, while you still have a pop 2 city working two unimproved tiles.

Divi Filus · Dec 01, 2005, 06:05 PM

I have updated the guide to include up to the Renaissance...
On the worker issue: the key thing is a worker (with Bronze Working) gives you flexibility.. you can chop out settlers or axeman... and you can watch your back or eliminate someone if the chance arises...
DF

sgrig · Dec 05, 2005, 04:53 PM

Thank you for the update! I really enjoyed reading it. Looking forward to industrial age.

Doctor Love · Dec 05, 2005, 05:37 PM

Interesting guide. Do you find it's better to build your core of 6 cities as fast as possible, or get 2 or 3 out fast and then add the other ones as "infill" a bit later?

DaveMcW · Dec 05, 2005, 08:28 PM

Why is your warmonger building walls and Chichen Itza? If you really need to turtle behind city walls you have failed badly.

AmnesiaA · Dec 05, 2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveMcW

Why is your warmonger building walls and Chichen Itza? If you really need to turtle behind city walls you have failed badly.

I agree. A good warmonger should never have to defend itself.

sgrig · Dec 06, 2005, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveMcW

Why is your warmonger building walls and Chichen Itza? If you really need to turtle behind city walls you have failed badly.

Personally, I think it makes sense to give your cities an extra defense bonus, to free up more of the stronger units for the conquests. However I never played in an all-out "conquest mode", so maybe my experience is limited on this point.

anton_z1 · Dec 06, 2005, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveMcW

Why is your warmonger building walls and Chichen Itza? If you really need to turtle behind city walls you have failed badly.

I do totally agree. Building walls is a waste of time. 1 wall = 1 unit you can use to kick ass. Also, before the ennemy attacks you city, he will turn all your improvements to dust. Finally, there is only 2 untis which could piss you off in the game 1) Praetorians, 2) Cossack. You can whipe the rest with half og the ennemy force.

thordk · Dec 07, 2005, 03:26 AM

walls are useless, that's true. since as a warmonger there should never be an assault on your core cities. war belongs to your UU frontier.

chichen itza may be nice since it gives newly conquered cities and advantage. but with massive units rushing to the enemy there should hardly ever be attacks on cities either.

Divi Filus · Dec 08, 2005, 11:03 AM

On the wall/ Chichen Issue:
Walls and Chichen cost NO Maintence and allow you to maintain a large force in the field; If you are a War Monger they would NOT be a first priority compared to UNITS, but comparativly to the other wonders/improvements, they are a priority (I will make this clearer in the next issue).
DF

petey · Dec 08, 2005, 12:33 PM

With Chichen Itza, any newly conquered city gets an immediate 25% defensive bonus. That can be valuable since the other guy's culture reaches up to the city and they can come in quickly with units to try and retake it.

BirraImperial · Dec 08, 2005, 12:59 PM

Great guide Divi, keep up the good work!!

player1 fanatic · Dec 09, 2005, 03:51 AM

There is an error in the guide when it says that you should not go for Military Tradition before Rifling, since Cavalry requres Rifling.

That's flat wrong.

Cavalry requres Military Tradition and Gunpowder, making MT and Gupowder rush pretty viable strategy, since without Riflemen for couter Cavalry does pretty good conquest and pillage job.

Divi Filus · Dec 21, 2005, 12:44 PM

Thanks for noticing the error player1, I will include the correction in the updated guide!

Nov 25, 2005, 05:31 PM	#4
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Dec 01, 2005, 07:04 AM	#5
sgrig Comrade Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Isaac Newton's College Posts: 1,123	Excellent guide! Gave me quite a few useful tips which I will be sure to use in my next game! __________________ War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength

Dec 05, 2005, 04:53 PM	#8
sgrig Comrade Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Isaac Newton's College Posts: 1,123	Thank you for the update! I really enjoyed reading it. Looking forward to industrial age. __________________ War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength

Dec 05, 2005, 08:28 PM	#10
DaveMcW Deity Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,475 Images: 2	Why is your warmonger building walls and Chichen Itza? If you really need to turtle behind city walls you have failed badly. __________________ . Cottages! . GP Bulb Techs . Vaporize Stupid People Build at least 6 cities . Press Ctrl R to turn on resource bubbles . Build 1.5 workers per city . Check F9 Demographics often . Stay near the top in soldiers . Rush Buying Formula

Dec 08, 2005, 12:33 PM	#16
petey Prince Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 566	With Chichen Itza, any newly conquered city gets an immediate 25% defensive bonus. That can be valuable since the other guy's culture reaches up to the city and they can come in quickly with units to try and retake it. __________________ -When in doubt, attack. When not in doubt, attack anyways - it's more fun.

Nov 25, 2005, 12:03 PM	#2
jafink King Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 609	you say that you will usually build a worker first, i find that it's usually better for me to build warrior first, and worker at size 2. Even if i have many resources and worker techs, building a worker first leaves your city at size one for much longer, so it will only be able to use one of the improved resource spots. I would rather have a pop 2 city working two unimpoved resources, than a pop 1 city working 1 improved resources. Other than that, GREAT GUIDE!

Dec 01, 2005, 06:05 PM	#7
Divi Filus Chieftain Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 53	I have updated the guide to include up to the Renaissance... On the worker issue: the key thing is a worker (with Bronze Working) gives you flexibility.. you can chop out settlers or axeman... and you can watch your back or eliminate someone if the chance arises... DF

Dec 05, 2005, 05:37 PM	#9
Doctor Love Chieftain Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 61	Interesting guide. Do you find it's better to build your core of 6 cities as fast as possible, or get 2 or 3 out fast and then add the other ones as "infill" a bit later?

Dec 07, 2005, 03:26 AM	#14
thordk Prince Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 499	walls are useless, that's true. since as a warmonger there should never be an assault on your core cities. war belongs to your UU frontier. chichen itza may be nice since it gives newly conquered cities and advantage. but with massive units rushing to the enemy there should hardly ever be attacks on cities either.

Dec 08, 2005, 11:03 AM	#15
Divi Filus Chieftain Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 53	On the wall/ Chichen Issue: Walls and Chichen cost NO Maintence and allow you to maintain a large force in the field; If you are a War Monger they would NOT be a first priority compared to UNITS, but comparativly to the other wonders/improvements, they are a priority (I will make this clearer in the next issue). DF

Dec 08, 2005, 12:59 PM	#17
BirraImperial Pura Vida! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Jose, Costa Rica #fiftychat Posts: 2,458	Great guide Divi, keep up the good work!!

Dec 09, 2005, 03:51 AM	#18
player1 fanatic Deity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 2,122	There is an error in the guide when it says that you should not go for Military Tradition before Rifling, since Cavalry requres Rifling. That's flat wrong. Cavalry requres Military Tradition and Gunpowder, making MT and Gupowder rush pretty viable strategy, since without Riflemen for couter Cavalry does pretty good conquest and pillage job.

Dec 21, 2005, 12:44 PM	#19
Divi Filus Chieftain Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 53	Thanks for noticing the error player1, I will include the correction in the updated guide!

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