Rnes9: Run for President Too.

RoddyVR

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Background
The year is 2028. The US two party system collapsed 8 years ago, after elections in 2020 were a complete mess rife with sabotage, cheating, recounts, bribes and even a murder. In 2024 Erik Mesoy won the presidency, beating out a wide field of candidates, each of whom had a new political party. He spent his time as president bettering the people's lot, but has done little to change the corupt system of the US government. The people adamantly refused to allow a second term under any circumstances. The promises of last election are forgotten, so the massivly unpredictable elections starts all over again.

The Candidates
You are a candidate for the United States Presidency.
You have a home state.
You have a small core political folowing in your home state from which build your candidacy.
And you have the Million Dollars you have raised so far to fund your campaign.
And you have your most important assets: Your Time and your ability to convince people that you would make a good president.

Turns/updates
Every turn represents one week of the campaign. Which gives you 40 hours to spend on your campaign (sorry no workaholics allowed). You can spend your time doing two things: Getting the people to Vote for you or Raising money for your campaign.
And you can also spend any amount of your saved up money on TV adds, Newspaper spreads/stories or any other way you can come up with to get the people of a state to vote for you.
Updates are once a week on Mondays (or Tuesday if something goes wrong and i cant do monday update). If you have not send orders by the time i start doing the update, then your orders from the previous turn will be used again, but with a slight loss (explained later). In the last incarnation of this game i tried doing two day updates, but that didnt work at all. So going slower this time.


Your Orders (you dont have to read the spoiler text, but please read the rest)
Every turn you have 40 hours of your time to spend (no overachieving workaholics allowed, you're a family man/woman afterall) and you can spend as much of your accumulated campaign funds as you want (no going negative allowed). Please use your time in whole hours (no 10 minute campaign stops) so that I dont go insane trying to figure out fractions of hours. Money is used in $1000 increments (for readability's sake).
Please PM your orders to me. I know its easier to post them here, but I will likely not notice them on the thread, and PMs are easier to save.

Every turn I will need to know:
how many hours you spend Campaigning in which state. (ie 3 hours in Alaska, 10 in California, 5 in Oregon and so on)
how many hours you spend Fundraising in which state.
how much money you spend in which state.

For spending time campaigning in a state you gain voter support faster for spending the most time there, and less points per hour if other players spent more time in the state then you did.
Spoiler :
The player who spends the most time in a state recieves FIVE 5 voter points per hour.
The second most committed player in a state recieves THREE 3 voter points per hour.
The third most commited player in a state gains ONE 1 voter point per hour.
The rest do not gain any points at all

For spending money in a state, you gain a percentage of your existing support in a state. How much you spend does not matter, only if you spent more then other players in the same state or less then them.
Spoiler :
Players are ranked in order of biggest spender to smallest, and each gains a fraction of their existing points:
biggest spender gains 1/3rd of his current votes
sencond biggest gains 1/6th of his current votes
third biggest gains 1/9th of his current votes
and so on... 1/12....1/15....1/18.... its all roudned down, so at some point you'll gain 0

For spending time Fundraising in a state, you get money donated to your campaign. You get money for the Voter Support that you already have, but you get much more money from people that you've just convinced to vote for you (by Campaigning or spending time in the state at the same time)
Spoiler :
For every hour spent Fundraising you get $1k for every voter point you had at start of turn, and $10K for every point you are gaining this turn


Voters/States
Every state has a large pool of undecided voters that you need to convince to vote for you. But once those run out, you have to win over voters that have already decided to vote for another player, which is considerably harder. Different states have different number of voters, so some are easier to dominate, some are harder. The important piece is that its a race against the other players, not against the number of voters. You only need more votes then any of the other players to "control" the state, not more then half or anything like that. But the bigger your "lead" in a state, the harder it is for other player to take it away from you.
Spoiler :
Voters are represented by "voter points". The nubmer of Voter points that each state has is loosly based on its population. Dont ask me for the formula I used, I dont have it anymore, but it was a rounded square (or cube) root function I think. At the start of the game every one has 1 voter point in every state and more in their home state. As the game starts up the players will win over the voters, and eventualy all the points in some states will be used up, then the players start taking points from eachother.
Once a state has reached its max Voter points, and needs more to assign to players during an update the following happnes:
Those players who have points in the state but did not recieve any new points lose points loose point in proportion to how many points they had in the state, upto all 100% of the points of all these players.
Then if there are still new points to assign, but no more "non present" candidates with votes, then all the players that are getting points this turn split the "loss" between them. This one is NOT proportionate, this one is a fair split of X points from each player (they all basicaly gain fewer points so that there's enough to go around, in some cases the player who should be "gaining" the least points will actualy be losing points to those that were supposed to gain much more).


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The original rules ended here. everything after this got added later....
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Story NES/Board NES
My defenition of a Board NES, is where everything is predefined by the rules and determined by player's orders, where there is absolutely zero chance of me (the game mod) playing favorites or screwing over a player for a "random" reason. And this game falls under that defenition....except....
I will award random points for stories that make the game more interesting. Mostly cause I've found that people get more involved in the games if there's some storytelling, and are less likely to quit for loosing interest. It wont be large amounts of points, so dont expect to win based purely on your story telling abilities, or lose because you have none.

Winning the NES
Any Player who gets up to 271 Electoral Colledge votes (numbers on the game map) after 50% of the population have been convinced to vote (which could happen as early as turn 2 or so, but probably wont, i'll mention in it the update that passes that line) is the winner or the election. If there is still interest to continue the game at that point (like if others think they'll be able to knock the winner back down) then we'll continue it untill it becomes impossible for lack of interest.
 
North King
Candidate: Issac Corel
Home State: Colorado
Color: Orange
Party: Independent

MjM
Candidate: Randy McPharkin
Home State: South Carolina
Color: Light Gray
Party: Southern Secconist Party[SSC]

Stalin006
Candidate: William Rainer
Home State: California
Color: Red
Party: American Communist Party

Cuivienen
Candidate: Louisa Mitchell
Home State: Pennsylvania
Color: Pale Blue
Party: New Progressive Party

tossi
Candidate: Brian Marshall Shelley
Home State: Mississippi
Color: Purple
Party: Alliance of Christians for America

Blackheart
Candidate: George Washington II
Home State: Vermont
Color: Swamp Green

Sheep
Candidate: 'Gunshooin' Sam Yeager
Home State: Texas
Color: Green
Party: American Association of Mandatory Gun Ownership [AAMGO]



cant attach more then one picture per post and have it still show, so attaching map with abreviations to this post. only place i could find with the abreviations map was UPS.com and their "time in transit" map, had to get rid of the colors, and their font sucks, but its best i could find. if anyone has a better one (ie clearer one) please tell me where to get it.
 

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If you join, i need the following info:

Home state,
Color you want.

you can also provide any other info you want, including a candidate name if its not your cfc user name, a political party and whateve else you think is important.
 
You can post now.

some pre explanations (answers to questions that will get asked anyway, lol)

Story Game/ Board Game
Is this a Story NES or a Board NES?
Depends on your defenition of the two. There are no armies. There are no nations. There are no NPCs. There are no story requirements, all I realy NEED from you is orders.
By my defenitions, this is a Board NES because everything is predefined by the rules and orders, there is absolutely zero chance of me (the game mod) playing favorites or anything like that.
BUT... i will award random points for stories that make the game more interesting. Mostly cause I've found that people get more involved in the games if there's some storytelling, and are less likely to quit for loosing interest. It wont be large amounts of points, so dont expect to win based purely on your story telling abilities, or lose because you have none.


Electoral Colledge (winning the elections)
In order to win the election a candidate does not have to get the most actual voters to vote for him. What he needs is to get the most states to vote for him.
The voters in each state decide which candidate their whole state wants as president, then all the states "vote" for their candidates to pick the president. Some states, being bigger, have more "votes" when weighing in to pick the president, so convincing california to vote for you is much more worth while then concining Nevada to vote for you. At the same time, it is probably much easier to convince Nevada to vote for you, because the other candidates are not likely to fight you too hard for Nevada's votes.
To win the election, a candidate has to have enough states vote for him that his "state vote" (actualy called electoral colledge votes) total is 270 or more. These are the numbers on each state on the map. So California is worth 55 votes, while Nevada is worth only 5.
You could win the elections if you win the 11 biggest states, and the other 40 vote for other people. But good luck gettin ALL 11 of the biggest (its probably smarter to go after a few of the bigger ones, but get some smaller ones too so you dont have to win all the big ones)

Winning a state
So the game boils down to 51 seperate popularity contests. One in each state. Every time you spend time or money in a state, you will gain popularity points in the state. The person with the most popularity in the state is its current winner. The difference between spending time or money:
How much popularity you gain by spending time in a state is based on two things:
1. amount of time spent (the more time you spend the more popularity you gain)
2. wheather there are other candidates that spent more time there than you did this turn (if others spent more time here, then you then you gain less popularity).
How much popularity you gain by spending money in a state is based on two things:
1. how much popularity you already have in the state (the more popular you are, the more you'll gain) 2. wheather there are other candidates that spent more money there than you did this turn (if others spent more money here, then you gain less popularity).
Notice that the actual amount of money spend does NOT influence how much you gain in the state (think of it as, your tv ad campaign was successfull, but by spending more on it, you'd just annoy people by interupting their favorite shows with you commercials all the time).

Orders help and hints
so you could spend your whole turn in one state, and prety much dominate that one state, but once you've convinced everyone in the state to vote for you, you wont gain anything for more hours you spend there. some smaller states will take as few as 10 hours of uncontested campaigning to "max out", and spending more time there will be completely fruitless. california, being the biggest state, still will only take 30 hours of uncontested campaigning to completely win over (meaning if you're the only candidate spending time in the state, 30 hours will get everyone in the state to vote for you, but competition from other players will make it unlikely that you can pull this off, and they could just take it from you next turn with their own 30 hours if you dont defend it somehow). If you continualy spend all of your time in one state then no one will ever take it from you, but you wont have the time to get other states either, so you'll never win. And as soon as you stop spending all your time in "your" state, someone can take it by spending all their time there for one turn.

Because it is impossible to win with just one state, you will need to spread your time between a bunch of states, which means that you wont be able to "defend" every state you win. What you need to do to beat the other players, is spend your time better then the others. If whenever you spend time in a state, you are the the one who spent the most time there, but not by a lot, then you'll win the game (if you win by alot every time, that means that your competitors spent time in more states, and will likely win with them).
Same goes for money. You could get votes by dumping all your money in a state you have some support in, but if you're the only one spending money in the state this turn, then $1k would have the same effect as $100K - you're still the biggest spender in the state this turn. Again, the goal should be to spend more money then your competitors, but not by much and in as many states as possible.

In general, spending time is for states that you do not have a good hold on yet, or ones where you want to quickly increase your popularity (or fight of another player trying to gain in the state). Spending money is in states where you already have a good amount of popularity and want to steadily increase it.
If you are already popular in a state, then by spending money in the state you could "defend" from other players spending small amounts of time in the state, but money will never ward off a concentrated effort to take the state from you by another candidate.
 
Issac Corel (Independent)
Colorado
Orange

Corel is something like your average, stereotypical environmentally concerned socialist. However, while many in these troubled times like his "helping hand" platform, his main strong point is that he is very willing to work with others and compromise. He is truly outside of party lines--he can work with anyone on anything, and he is bluntly honest--a trait that is few and far between in many politicians.
 
Roddy really should have set this one in 2028, so that I could style myself the previous President. Could I convince you to edit that, Roddy? :D
On the serious side, add a map with state abbrevations, since that's what you use in the update statblock.


I hereby offer my services to anyone as Presidential Advisor. You may bribe me with offers of NESing alliances. :p
 
Randy McPharkin (Southern Secconist Party[SSC])
South Carolina

Randy is a southern aristocrat from South Carolina. He talks with a very thick,funny, Southern accent. He is darn near tired of people making fun of the South. And with growing industries and such in the South, its economy can support itself. So his philosophy is to secede like in 1860. He has tremendous support in the state that was the first to secede of the Condeferate States in the Civil war, South Carolina, his home state.
 
Erik Mesoy said:
Roddy really should have set this one in 2028, so that I could style myself the previous President. Could I convince you to edit that, Roddy? :D
On the serious side, add a map with state abbrevations, since that's what you use in the update statblock.


I hereby offer my services to anyone as Presidential Advisor. You may bribe me with offers of NESing alliances. :p

i thought about making it a 2028, but then what the hell have you been doing the last 4 years that nothing has changed in the system? who in their right mind would vote for you again, after such a useless 4 year term.
good idea about the abreviations map. will find one.
edit: i would update the map with your 3 starting states colored in, but i didnt sleep much all weekend (4 days)spent all 4 nights finishing a huge/epic 18 player civ4 game. actualy finished it too, space victory, i had future tech 5 and over 20k gold by the time i was done, lol.
anyway going to sleep now, will update the front posts tomorow morning at work.
 
poor roddy, am sorry for closing that japan nes as i had to leave nesing for so long. but i am back and in return......

ILL JOIN!.


edit: whens first update? monday next week or what?
 
welcome back stalin. glad you're alive, for a while i was concerned that you may have gotten realy hurt by the huricane (it was rita that you disappeared after, right?)
the spreadsheet i have is designed for upto 10 players so that's the limit, and yes the first update is on monday. unlike usualy though, where the first update doestn need orders, i think i'll make it a real turn, so you can send orders for this week if you know which states you want to go after already.

remember, 40 hours split any way you want among campaigning and fundraising in any states you want. and everyone starts with $1000K to spend

added North King, MjM and Stalin to player list and starting map. Erik, i just realized that you didnt actualy say that you're joining. are you? and if so, with the same info as the last one? or something new?
 
I'm not joining. It would be unfair. :D
RoddyVR said:
i thought about making it a 2028, but then what the hell have you been doing the last 4 years that nothing has changed in the system? who in their right mind would vote for you again, after such a useless 4 year term.
Nah, I spent my time bettering the people's lot, the system is still the same. The people adamantly refused to allow a second term under any circumstances. The promises of last election are forgotten, so everyone starts over again.
There, now can it be 2028, and you're looking for a successor to that brilliant political strategist, Erik Mesoy?
 
Ummmm... can I play a hobo?
If yes then here are my orders for round 1:

Spend 16 hours campaigning in California.
 
Toteone said:
Ummmm... can I play a hobo?
If yes then here are my orders for round 1:

Spend 16 hours campaigning in California.
what's a hobo? but even not knowing what that is, i dont see why not.
if you're joining, what's your home state? you have a color preferance?
and its 40 hours per turn in this game, not 16 like the last one.
 
And a hobo's home state would be California.
Very well, amend my orders to 40 hours in California then.

I'd prefer black as my color. ;) ... or grey, something very distinguishable
 
Cuivienen
Candidate: Louisa Mitchell
Home State: Pennsylvania
Color: Pale Blue
Party: New Progressive Party

Louisa Mitchell is a current and former member of the United States House of Representatives representing the politically-moderate 17th district of Pennsylvania. She was once a member of the Democratic Party, which she represented in the House of Representatives from 2012 to 2024, but resigned from the party and from her post as Representative in protest of the corrupt inside dealings of both major parties. Despite not appearing on the ballot in her home district in the 2024 election, Mrs. Mitchell's actions made her so wildly popular in her home district that she was reelected to the House with over 70% of the vote as a write-in candidate over the Democratic and Republican candidates when it became clear that her resignation came with good cause.

After reentering the House, Mrs. Mitchell led a group of seven moderate-progressive Representatives from the countrysides of New York, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee and her native Pennsylvania in the founding of the New Progressive Party, a party which focuses primarily on the development and modernization of poor regions of the country and the country as a whole. Under her leadership the New Progressive Party expanded its influence in the House to 13 Representatives during the 2026 elections and will continue to be a force in government.

Upon strong urging from her fellow members of the New Progressive Party, Mrs. Mitchell has decided to enter a bid for the presidency in 2028, pledging to restore honesty, capability and efficiency to the White House for the first time in decades. With strong initial showings in her large home state of Pennsylvania, Mrs. Mitchell is certain to be a powerful challenge for any other presidential candidate to overcome and stands a strong chance of winning her bid for the presidency.

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I may add more later. Note that I don’t write this for expected benefit, but solely because I find it fun to do.

Do you prefer orders in the thread or via PM?
 
oh, orders in PMs please. i often completely miss orders given in the game threads.
 
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