Rise of the Machines

IceLion · Jan 08, 2006, 12:16 PM

All civs random, Standard/Balanced map on Epic speed.
Here are the rules:
Conquest victory condition only.
Tactless, but can approve or deny AI initiated trades/diplo and can declare/coerce war, but we can not ask for peace.
Only human units allowed to be built are workers and settlers (slaves), the rest must be whipped.
No religion, if it spreads we'll view it as our human slaves praying for freedom.
Any order once issued CAN NOT be changed, machines are precise and make absolute decisions.
No Barbs, don't want to make this impossible.
MM is handled by the Governators at all times.

Open to any other suggestions. We will be fighting with only mechanized units, so the early years will be restricted to catapults and cannons. I consider any unit that is a machine, i.e. Tanks, MAs, Fighters, etc. to be mechanized and therefore usable.

Roster: Closed
IceLion - Up
Vovan - On Deck
Hamtastic
IamSid

The techs that we ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE to start off with... <crosses fingers> Hopefully we get a civ that starts with mining, then to Bronze Working (for slavery) > Masonry > Mathematics > Construction.

vovan · Jan 08, 2006, 12:56 PM

Hmm, sounds too weird to work.

Sign me up.

BTW, if the only units we are building in the early game are catapults, we could probably still do some damage with insane numbers of them.

Also, I would suggest that we *can* build 'human' units, but the only way we can do it is by whipping the population (so, only force rush or draft), as we could then view it as making our slaves do our bidding.

Finally, I am not sure about diplomacy here... Can we declare war on our own, or only go to war when war is declared upon us? (Though I imagine there will be no shortage of that in the early ages, when we are severely limited in military.)

Also, maybe for our purposes we should be allowed to offer only one type of diplo proposal: x declare war on y?

Just some suggestions.

This sounds like it could be a game of great fun.

IceLion · Jan 08, 2006, 01:16 PM

I thought about the whipping idea as well and am down with it if everyone else is. As far as diplo is concerned I'd say war is the only thing we can open it for, all forms. We can still accept and decline trades with the AI but not initiate, change or renegotiate them.

-IceLion

niffweed17 · Jan 08, 2006, 01:23 PM

lurker comment:

i dont think this is doable on a level higher than chieftain (maybe even settler; i dont know since i've never played any games below noble). at the end of the game, your military could be sufficient to get a conquest victory. however, managing to survive with mere catapults is really not realistic. especially when you intend to ignore religion as a potential bargaining chip with other civs.

IceLion · Jan 08, 2006, 01:33 PM

To give us at least one decent offensive unit , we could use the swordsman skin from this thread http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152058 ; it looks completely terminatoresque.

-IceLion

vovan · Jan 08, 2006, 01:42 PM

I'd say if we can whip-rush units, we can probably pull it off on Noble. (Without taking the extra allowed swordsman. Because if we take the swordsman as allowed, that pretty much makes ancient times easy warfare, I think...)

Vovan

hamtastic · Jan 08, 2006, 01:44 PM

Sounds interesting. Would boats be allowed? If so, a map with lots of water could would be completely doable - could at least defend routes to your cities. Also, thoughts on using the unit that "Machinery" provides - crossbowman. Finally, how to use great people? Any ideas about creating rules on that?

I'd be interested in playing something like this, but I have to wait for a replacement laptop to show up (likely late this week), if you'd let me join.

IceLion · Jan 08, 2006, 02:02 PM

Any human unit can be built provided it's whipped, you can not build a human unit without whipping.

I think we can do this on Noble, but not easily, but thats kind of the point.

So to clarify, here are the revised rules:

Conquest victory condition only.
Can contact AI for war only, we can accept or decline AI initiated diplo, not change or renegotiate.
All human units must be whipped.
No religion, if it spreads we'll view it as our human slaves praying for freedom.
Any order once issued CAN NOT be changed, machines are precise and make absolute decisions.
No Barbs, don't want to make this impossible.
MM is handled by the Governators at all times.

This is still open to comment... so far we have 3 people on board. Looks like noble difficulty, still no choice on the Civ though I'm thinking Rome, the early powerful UU can come in handy since we can only whip human units. We might want to consider an aggressive civ however due to the sheer number of catapults and cannons we will be building.

EDIT: GP can be used the same as any other game, they are still slaves afterall.

Roster
IceLion
Vovan
Hamtastic (pending new laptop)

-IceLion

niffweed17 · Jan 08, 2006, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceLion

Any human unit can be built provided it's whipped, you can not build a human unit without whipping.

ah, that makes a difference.

hamtastic · Jan 09, 2006, 02:11 AM

Seems like we should pick a leader who has a trait we can build something off of right away. If I understand correctly, we can't build anything but buildings (no units) until we implement slavery. Also, we'll have to do strange things like only use chops for wonders so we don't end up accidentally needing to build units when we have no population. Seems tricky. (As you can see, I'm more worried about not having to break our own rules of not regular-building units than about getting stomped by AI).

IceLion · Jan 09, 2006, 11:40 AM

I was thinking Kublia Kahn or whatever his name is, he is agg/cre. We could use the additional culture bonuses as I don't think we'll be building many cities ourselves. Aggressive speaks for itself, we'll be building essentially nothing but suicide cats for a long time, and we are going to needs hundreds and hundreds of them. We can build settlers and workers, but will have to whip any defensive units for the cities, which will be tricky. This will be pretty much constant war for us so we'll really need to beeline for construction and metal casting so we can build cats and workshops.

This is going to be tough but I think we're gonna have a blast. It seems that we are the only ones interested in this so we need to decide on the map and leader pretty quick to get this game rolling. We'll use standard 24hrs to get it and then 48hrs to play.

Let me know what you think.

-IceLion

Arathorn · Jan 09, 2006, 11:48 AM

lurker's comment: Agg only benefits melee (warrior, axe, sword, mace, spear, pike, and maybe a few others) and gunpowder (musket, rifle, grenadier, infantry, SAM, mech. infantry) units, so it's probably NOT a good choice for you machines.

Good luck with the game,
Arathorn

IceLion · Jan 09, 2006, 12:06 PM

Err umm... oops, forgot about that little detail. It could still be useful however because we are still going to be whipping melee and gunpowder units from time to time. Organized could come in handy as well, lower maint.

For globe settings I was thinking large with standard AI... Balanced, we'll need all the help with resources we can get.

-IceLion

hamtastic · Jan 09, 2006, 12:08 PM

I favor Louis XIV - creative and industrious. We'll probably be building more buildings and wonders than the average civ, so we might as well pick a trait that maximizes that. I agree that creative is a good idea, and I like industrious. Another good option could be expansive, although if we're going to be whipping for units we may not need a health bonus so much. Aggressive could be ok - although we probably won't have lots of units.. Still we may want the ones we have to be buff...

Laptop still probably won't be here till Friday or Saturday - maybe later.

IceLion · Jan 09, 2006, 12:25 PM

HA! Ironically, I just wiped Louis out last night in a solo game I'm playing. To be honest I can adapt to any leader trait but I agree that creative and industrious are a good combo for this as well. We could really add a challenge and go all random and see what happens.

-IceLion

hamtastic · Jan 10, 2006, 01:56 PM

Random actually sounds good. If Vovan is still in, maybe you should go ahead and crank the game up when you get a chance?

IceLion · Jan 10, 2006, 03:25 PM

I'll post the first 20 tonight. Noble, standard/balanced, I'm thinking Epic speed. The rest will be random.

-IceLion

vovan · Jan 10, 2006, 04:25 PM

I'm still up for this.

Ready to play when you are.

IamSid · Jan 10, 2006, 07:58 PM

Lurkers Comment: IamSid ready for lurking!

IceLion · Jan 10, 2006, 09:04 PM

Motherland founded in the year of the Machines BC 4000 - Initializing...

Systems check - Complete

Slave report:
Species - Human
Race - Indians - Ind/Spi | Leader: Ghandi
Initializing slaves - Complete

Inital recon - Loading....

Status report:

BC 4000 - Human city Dehli created, constructing Barracks. Warrior slaves sent to discover foreign lands.

BC 3960 - Begin reaserching Masonry, Governators set to research.

BC 3920 - Warrior slaves discover small outpost of humans, Masonry is beaten out of their wisemen. Transfer reasearch to Bronze Working for better implementation of slave motivation.

BC 3880 - 3200 - Nothing to report, warrior slaves continue to explore Earth.

RotM Save

End report - awaiting further instructions.

Roster
Vovan - Up
Hamtastic - On Deck
IceLion

Jan 08, 2006, 12:16 PM	#1
IceLion Living in denial Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Everett WA Posts: 171	Rise of the Machines All civs random, Standard/Balanced map on Epic speed. Here are the rules: Conquest victory condition only. Tactless, but can approve or deny AI initiated trades/diplo and can declare/coerce war, but we can not ask for peace. Only human units allowed to be built are workers and settlers (slaves), the rest must be whipped. No religion, if it spreads we'll view it as our human slaves praying for freedom. Any order once issued CAN NOT be changed, machines are precise and make absolute decisions. No Barbs, don't want to make this impossible. MM is handled by the Governators at all times. Open to any other suggestions. We will be fighting with only mechanized units, so the early years will be restricted to catapults and cannons. I consider any unit that is a machine, i.e. Tanks, MAs, Fighters, etc. to be mechanized and therefore usable. Roster: Closed IceLion - Up Vovan - On Deck Hamtastic IamSid The techs that we ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE to start off with... <crosses fingers> Hopefully we get a civ that starts with mining, then to Bronze Working (for slavery) > Masonry > Mathematics > Construction. __________________ There's no place like 127.0.0.0 Current SG's:Rise of the Machines (1688 Conquest Victory) Europa Europa Mod V1-Not Afraid of Mansa RotM02:Glorious Space Race Filthy Americans FFA01 Last edited by IceLion; Jan 11, 2006 at 05:31 PM.

Jan 08, 2006, 12:56 PM	#2
vovan Warlord Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 276	Hmm, sounds too weird to work. Sign me up. BTW, if the only units we are building in the early game are catapults, we could probably still do some damage with insane numbers of them. Also, I would suggest that we can build 'human' units, but the only way we can do it is by whipping the population (so, only force rush or draft), as we could then view it as making our slaves do our bidding. Finally, I am not sure about diplomacy here... Can we declare war on our own, or only go to war when war is declared upon us? (Though I imagine there will be no shortage of that in the early ages, when we are severely limited in military.) Also, maybe for our purposes we should be allowed to offer only one type of diplo proposal: x declare war on y? Just some suggestions. This sounds like it could be a game of great fun. __________________ Finished SGs: ND1: Wonderless Terra (1902 Conquest Victory), JOE1 (1904 Domination Victory), Rise of the Machines 1 (1688 Conquest Victory)

Jan 08, 2006, 01:16 PM	#3
IceLion Living in denial Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Everett WA Posts: 171	I thought about the whipping idea as well and am down with it if everyone else is. As far as diplo is concerned I'd say war is the only thing we can open it for, all forms. We can still accept and decline trades with the AI but not initiate, change or renegotiate them. -IceLion __________________ There's no place like 127.0.0.0 Current SG's:Rise of the Machines (1688 Conquest Victory) Europa Europa Mod V1-Not Afraid of Mansa RotM02:Glorious Space Race Filthy Americans FFA01

Jan 08, 2006, 01:23 PM	#4
niffweed17 Warlord Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ahí en la ciudad Posts: 299	lurker comment: i dont think this is doable on a level higher than chieftain (maybe even settler; i dont know since i've never played any games below noble). at the end of the game, your military could be sufficient to get a conquest victory. however, managing to survive with mere catapults is really not realistic. especially when you intend to ignore religion as a potential bargaining chip with other civs. __________________ I am responsible for the ultimate demise of the weak and stupid English in the first civ 4 anarchy game! Worship me!

Jan 08, 2006, 01:33 PM	#5
IceLion Living in denial Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Everett WA Posts: 171	To give us at least one decent offensive unit , we could use the swordsman skin from this thread http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152058 ; it looks completely terminatoresque. -IceLion __________________ There's no place like 127.0.0.0 Current SG's:Rise of the Machines (1688 Conquest Victory) Europa Europa Mod V1-Not Afraid of Mansa RotM02:Glorious Space Race Filthy Americans FFA01

Jan 08, 2006, 01:42 PM	#6
vovan Warlord Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 276	I'd say if we can whip-rush units, we can probably pull it off on Noble. (Without taking the extra allowed swordsman. Because if we take the swordsman as allowed, that pretty much makes ancient times easy warfare, I think...) Vovan __________________ Finished SGs: ND1: Wonderless Terra (1902 Conquest Victory), JOE1 (1904 Domination Victory), Rise of the Machines 1 (1688 Conquest Victory)

Jan 08, 2006, 01:44 PM	#7
hamtastic Hamburglar Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 360	Sounds interesting. Would boats be allowed? If so, a map with lots of water could would be completely doable - could at least defend routes to your cities. Also, thoughts on using the unit that "Machinery" provides - crossbowman. Finally, how to use great people? Any ideas about creating rules on that? I'd be interested in playing something like this, but I have to wait for a replacement laptop to show up (likely late this week), if you'd let me join.

Jan 08, 2006, 02:02 PM	#8
IceLion Living in denial Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Everett WA Posts: 171	Any human unit can be built provided it's whipped, you can not build a human unit without whipping. I think we can do this on Noble, but not easily, but thats kind of the point. So to clarify, here are the revised rules: Conquest victory condition only. Can contact AI for war only, we can accept or decline AI initiated diplo, not change or renegotiate. All human units must be whipped. No religion, if it spreads we'll view it as our human slaves praying for freedom. Any order once issued CAN NOT be changed, machines are precise and make absolute decisions. No Barbs, don't want to make this impossible. MM is handled by the Governators at all times. This is still open to comment... so far we have 3 people on board. Looks like noble difficulty, still no choice on the Civ though I'm thinking Rome, the early powerful UU can come in handy since we can only whip human units. We might want to consider an aggressive civ however due to the sheer number of catapults and cannons we will be building. EDIT: GP can be used the same as any other game, they are still slaves afterall. Roster IceLion Vovan Hamtastic (pending new laptop) -IceLion __________________ There's no place like 127.0.0.0 Current SG's:Rise of the Machines (1688 Conquest Victory) Europa Europa Mod V1-Not Afraid of Mansa RotM02:Glorious Space Race Filthy Americans FFA01 Last edited by IceLion; Jan 08, 2006 at 02:11 PM.

Jan 09, 2006, 02:11 AM	#10
hamtastic Hamburglar Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 360	Seems like we should pick a leader who has a trait we can build something off of right away. If I understand correctly, we can't build anything but buildings (no units) until we implement slavery. Also, we'll have to do strange things like only use chops for wonders so we don't end up accidentally needing to build units when we have no population. Seems tricky. (As you can see, I'm more worried about not having to break our own rules of not regular-building units than about getting stomped by AI).

Jan 09, 2006, 11:40 AM	#11
IceLion Living in denial Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Everett WA Posts: 171	I was thinking Kublia Kahn or whatever his name is, he is agg/cre. We could use the additional culture bonuses as I don't think we'll be building many cities ourselves. Aggressive speaks for itself, we'll be building essentially nothing but suicide cats for a long time, and we are going to needs hundreds and hundreds of them. We can build settlers and workers, but will have to whip any defensive units for the cities, which will be tricky. This will be pretty much constant war for us so we'll really need to beeline for construction and metal casting so we can build cats and workshops. This is going to be tough but I think we're gonna have a blast. It seems that we are the only ones interested in this so we need to decide on the map and leader pretty quick to get this game rolling. We'll use standard 24hrs to get it and then 48hrs to play. Let me know what you think. -IceLion __________________ There's no place like 127.0.0.0 Current SG's:Rise of the Machines (1688 Conquest Victory) Europa Europa Mod V1-Not Afraid of Mansa RotM02:Glorious Space Race Filthy Americans FFA01

Jan 09, 2006, 11:48 AM	#12
Arathorn Catan player Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,450	lurker's comment: Agg only benefits melee (warrior, axe, sword, mace, spear, pike, and maybe a few others) and gunpowder (musket, rifle, grenadier, infantry, SAM, mech. infantry) units, so it's probably NOT a good choice for you machines. Good luck with the game, Arathorn __________________ "All that is gold does not glitter..." Civ4 - LotR Series of Succession Games LotR24 French Menagerie LotR25 Corporate Culture Old Civ3 stuff - Variants Sid Always War LotR Series of SGs

Jan 09, 2006, 12:06 PM	#13
IceLion Living in denial Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Everett WA Posts: 171	Err umm... oops, forgot about that little detail. It could still be useful however because we are still going to be whipping melee and gunpowder units from time to time. Organized could come in handy as well, lower maint. For globe settings I was thinking large with standard AI... Balanced, we'll need all the help with resources we can get. -IceLion __________________ There's no place like 127.0.0.0 Current SG's:Rise of the Machines (1688 Conquest Victory) Europa Europa Mod V1-Not Afraid of Mansa RotM02:Glorious Space Race Filthy Americans FFA01

Jan 09, 2006, 12:08 PM	#14
hamtastic Hamburglar Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 360	I favor Louis XIV - creative and industrious. We'll probably be building more buildings and wonders than the average civ, so we might as well pick a trait that maximizes that. I agree that creative is a good idea, and I like industrious. Another good option could be expansive, although if we're going to be whipping for units we may not need a health bonus so much. Aggressive could be ok - although we probably won't have lots of units.. Still we may want the ones we have to be buff... Laptop still probably won't be here till Friday or Saturday - maybe later.

Jan 09, 2006, 12:25 PM	#15
IceLion Living in denial Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Everett WA Posts: 171	HA! Ironically, I just wiped Louis out last night in a solo game I'm playing. To be honest I can adapt to any leader trait but I agree that creative and industrious are a good combo for this as well. We could really add a challenge and go all random and see what happens. -IceLion __________________ There's no place like 127.0.0.0 Current SG's:Rise of the Machines (1688 Conquest Victory) Europa Europa Mod V1-Not Afraid of Mansa RotM02:Glorious Space Race Filthy Americans FFA01

Jan 10, 2006, 01:56 PM	#16
hamtastic Hamburglar Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 360	Random actually sounds good. If Vovan is still in, maybe you should go ahead and crank the game up when you get a chance?

Jan 10, 2006, 03:25 PM	#17
IceLion Living in denial Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Everett WA Posts: 171	I'll post the first 20 tonight. Noble, standard/balanced, I'm thinking Epic speed. The rest will be random. -IceLion __________________ There's no place like 127.0.0.0 Current SG's:Rise of the Machines (1688 Conquest Victory) Europa Europa Mod V1-Not Afraid of Mansa RotM02:Glorious Space Race Filthy Americans FFA01

Jan 10, 2006, 04:25 PM	#18
vovan Warlord Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 276	I'm still up for this. Ready to play when you are. __________________ Finished SGs: ND1: Wonderless Terra (1902 Conquest Victory), JOE1 (1904 Domination Victory), Rise of the Machines 1 (1688 Conquest Victory)

Jan 10, 2006, 07:58 PM	#19
IamSid TheTrueIdiot! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 439	Lurkers Comment: IamSid ready for lurking!

Jan 10, 2006, 09:04 PM	#20
IceLion Living in denial Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Everett WA Posts: 171	Motherland founded in the year of the Machines BC 4000 - Initializing... Systems check - Complete Slave report: Species - Human Race - Indians - Ind/Spi \| Leader: Ghandi Initializing slaves - Complete Inital recon - Loading.... Status report: BC 4000 - Human city Dehli created, constructing Barracks. Warrior slaves sent to discover foreign lands. BC 3960 - Begin reaserching Masonry, Governators set to research. BC 3920 - Warrior slaves discover small outpost of humans, Masonry is beaten out of their wisemen. Transfer reasearch to Bronze Working for better implementation of slave motivation. BC 3880 - 3200 - Nothing to report, warrior slaves continue to explore Earth. RotM Save End report - awaiting further instructions. Roster Vovan - Up Hamtastic - On Deck IceLion __________________ There's no place like 127.0.0.0 Current SG's:Rise of the Machines (1688 Conquest Victory) Europa Europa Mod V1-Not Afraid of Mansa RotM02:Glorious Space Race Filthy Americans FFA01 Last edited by IceLion; Jan 11, 2006 at 12:13 AM.

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