Standard Size Earth w/ 6 "racial" civs

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daveyjwin

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There was a thread earlier where a guy made this same mod, and people got upset because he had Osama Bin Laden as the Arab leader. I liked that mod anyway, but I had some issues with it. I went with that initial map, totally re-did the terrain and coastlines (realistic, kinda) and resources (more scarce), and changed the arab leader to Saladin. Changed start positions, and a bunch of other stuff as well.

Civs are Western, Arab, Russian, African, Indian, and Oriental. I did the "biomes" according to blueplanetbiomes.com, and the terrain according to the CIA Factbook. I tried to make it as near as possible, and yet still fun to play.

Try it out and let me know what you think! I like it!
 

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Thanks a bunch. I've been looking for a standard sized Earth. I run the game on my 1.5 Ghz laptop, and it really can't handle Huge maps.
 
suspendinlight said:
What about American/Native American? Just wondering...
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A point made elsewhere was that it is silly to think that the people in the "New World" were as advanced as the Europeans when they arrived, and so I put then New world civs as "barbarians", starting with three settles (One in North America, One in Middle America, and one in South America), with the hopes that they would expand a bit, but not match the europeans and chinese civs.
 
Well I was just thinking the lack of other civs to trade techs and commerce with would probably be enough to leave them less advanced than the people of Eurasia. Might be something to play test and it gives a different challenge to the player.
 
suspendinlight said:
Well I was just thinking the lack of other civs to trade techs and commerce with would probably be enough to leave them less advanced than the people of Eurasia. Might be something to play test and it gives a different challenge to the player.
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I don't know if this is really true. Many times when I have played other earth maps, they are usually caught right up, or behind slightly, when I make contact with them in the New World. I was trying to avoid that, because I think it's fair to say that the Native Americans were ~1000 years behind technologically upon the European discovery of the New World, which can more accurately be depicted as placing them as barbarians, as opposed to a seperate civilization.

I suppose it would be possible to put a real civ here, and handicap their tech progress, but I don't know how to do that...
 
Ask and ye shall receive...
 

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Just a note, objects are oriental, people are Asian.

from dictionary.com

Usage Note: Asian is now strongly preferred in place of Oriental for persons native to Asia or descended from an Asian people. The usual objection to Oriental meaning “eastern” is that it identifies Asian countries and peoples in terms of their location relative to Europe. However, this objection is not generally made of other Eurocentric terms such as Near and Middle Eastern. The real problem with Oriental is more likely its connotations stemming from an earlier era when Europeans viewed the regions east of the Mediterranean as exotic lands full of romance and intrigue, the home of despotic empires and inscrutable customs. At the least these associations can give Oriental a dated feel, and as a noun in contemporary contexts (as in the first Oriental to be elected from the district) it is now widely taken to be offensive. However, Oriental should not be thought of as an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. As with Asiatic, its use other than as an ethnonym, in phrases such as Oriental cuisine or Oriental medicine, is not usually considered objectionable.
 
Just a note: This is a game. It's OK if I don't use proper grammer or am not politically correct all the time. Relax...

Any other, non-grammatical, critiques?
 
I guess correct spelling isn't a necessary either.

Anyways, I'm sure Bodei and I meant it as constructive criticisms so there's no need to take it personally either. Besides I'm sure you would want the best quality for your own creations.

Try to take suggestions and criticisms with stride. In your own words, relax.
 
What has happened to the bottom half of Africa? Why is it riverless, resourceless and forestless?
In fact, Congo, Namibia, Botswana and South-Africa are full of natural riches...
 
To be honesty, I don't really know anything about the natural resources in Africa or Australia... at all.
 
Ahh, I didnt download the original map as I wasn't too happy with the choice of leaders. I liked this much better, downloaded it and enjoyed playing it :).

Thanks to the original creator of the Map, and to Daveyjwin for fixing the leaders to my liking :).
 
The current objections to the use of the term "oriental" notwithstanding, I like the use of the term ingame because it simulates the attitudes/views of actual history. Perhaps the civ name can change to "Asian" in 1990. :)
 
Actually DC82, the rem Oriental is perfectly appropriate. It literally means Eastern in Latin...in contrast to Occicdental or Western. Being that Latin was the langua franca of Europe/Western Civ through the Roman Empire-the Renaissance era. Even Africa is named after a Roman General Africanus, so since the Latin name sticks for Africa and Asia, shouldn't Europeans be called Occidentals.

Infact European and Asian is inaccurate to refer to the people. Europe is actually from the Akkadian term Europa and it was used to refer to the early Greeks(Westerners at the time). The term Asia is also an Akkadian term to refer to the Easterners.Geographers have never come up with a totally universal accepted term for the people and lands in which they live.

Better to consider the Middle East as part of the West because the Greeks did copy alot from the Persians and other ME in founding their civilization. Of course they added but then again the US has added to the Anglo culture. The fact Turkey is a serious candidate for EU entry, bring the point that culturally the term European/Western should include North Africa, Middle East, Russia, Austrailia, America and Europe. The term Africa should be limited to sub-sahara Africa, Asia the rest of Eurasia and Indonesia not listed.

Geographically the terms can also denote the tectonic plates.
 
The best way to delimit the "peoples" could rather be to use the largest language groups:

Europe, Persia & India: Indo-European
Middle East: Semitic
Sub-Saharan Africa: Bantu
etc.

I dont have the complete list available, but it shows the method. Using skin color is too "random", as in the long term it is climatic dependent (Both Africans and Australian Aborigins are "black"). Using "relative location" (e.g. east, west etc.) requires a "middle" (center), and don't YOU Start in the center?

The bad side with this is that some may have to be omitted... But it's not that big cost of some "correctness" ;)
 
Dan8816 said:
Actually DC82, the rem Oriental is perfectly appropriate. It literally means Eastern in Latin...in contrast to Occicdental or Western. Being that Latin was the langua franca of Europe/Western Civ through the Roman Empire-the Renaissance era. Even Africa is named after a Roman General Africanus, so since the Latin name sticks for Africa and Asia, shouldn't Europeans be called Occidentals.

Infact European and Asian is inaccurate to refer to the people. Europe is actually from the Akkadian term Europa and it was used to refer to the early Greeks(Westerners at the time). The term Asia is also an Akkadian term to refer to the Easterners.Geographers have never come up with a totally universal accepted term for the people and lands in which they live.

Better to consider the Middle East as part of the West because the Greeks did copy alot from the Persians and other ME in founding their civilization. Of course they added but then again the US has added to the Anglo culture. The fact Turkey is a serious candidate for EU entry, bring the point that culturally the term European/Western should include North Africa, Middle East, Russia, Austrailia, America and Europe. The term Africa should be limited to sub-sahara Africa, Asia the rest of Eurasia and Indonesia not listed.

Geographically the terms can also denote the tectonic plates.
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Actually Dan8816, it isn't. Again refering back to my earlier post, despite its original meanings and origins, usage of "oriental" today IS considered outdated, at least when refering to people groups. It isn't simply a matter of the etymology of the word or its original usage, but how the word has been used throughout time and history. There are several connotations with the word "oriental" and thus is now, at least in modern English (esp. in the United States) is a word used to modify inanimate objects and not people.
 
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