How come Firaxis didn't create an Israely Empire on Civ4???

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Rafaelp

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I've been a big fan of Empire Earth, Ages of Empire,act,ect.
And just wondered why they didn't create and Israely Empire in Civ4?
Maybe it would a been to controversial, what do u guys think????
Hope they though about that ,when they were making the game.:(
 
I'm not sure.

It makes sense sortof since they have had such an impact on the world!
 
The only reason why I don't think they put it in is because of the new religion aspect to Civilization. I don't think founding Islam in an Isreal lead by King David would please everyone (though no one minds Arabia or Mali founding Juadism or Christianty). I think the developers left it out to gauge the reaction of the Civ IV community before considering adding certain nations for certain purposes. Maybe they will have it in an expansion.
 
Heero Blaze said:
The only reason why I don't think they put it in is because of the new religion aspect to Civilization. I don't think founding Islam in an Isreal lead by King David would please everyone (though no one minds Arabia or Mali founding Juadism or Christianty). I think the developers left it out to gauge the reaction of the Civ IV community before considering adding certain nations for certain purposes. Maybe they will have it in an expansion.
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Yes putting it on the expansion is a definetly a must. Think im gonna write to firaxis and give them that suggestion. Thanks for you remark. :)
 
There are many worthy civilizations throughout history. They could only do a few.
 
I agree with those who said that it could be cool to put it into the expansion.
 
warpstorm said:
There are many worthy civilizations throughout history. They could only do a few.
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All too true. I actually think they made some good selections. Just as long as the people get what they want in the expansion, or at least as much as they can get.
 
Heero Blaze said:
All too true. I actually think they made some good selections. Just as long as the people get what they want in the expansion, or at least as much as they can get.
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But itf they were to put an Israely Civilization on the expansion pack.
Which leaders, would u choose?
*David
*Solomon
ect?
 
Rafaelp said:
But itf they were to put an Israely Civilization on the expansion pack.
Which leaders, would u choose?
*David
*Solomon
ect?
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King David, definently. Solomon built Solomon's Temple (Duh) and led Israel into a Golden Age, but it was King David who really consolidated Israel into one unified monarchy, conquered Jerusalem to make it a true capitol, and expanded Israel's borders to make it a regional power. The very name of their religion, Judaism, is taken from King David's tribe, Judah. It isn't exaggerating at all to say that King David did more to unify the people of Israel than anyone else, except perhaps Abraham and Moses; and during Abraham's time Israel was just a large family, and Moses' time more a collection of freed tribesmen than anything.
 
Rafaelp said:
And just wondered why they didn't create and Israely Empire in Civ4?
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Why to insert such an empire ? :confused:
Jew diaspora had a big impact on many civilisation, also did Judaism as religion - and this was included in the game - but Israel Empire/State had only a small existance/impact on general history.

Regards
 
Possibly opening myself up to being flamed here but hasn't Israel only been round for about 60 years as a county? Formed by the Allies as a place those of the Jewish religion could call their own and to make up for the atrocities of WWII?

Judaism on the other hand has been round for 2 millenia now and is pretty we reflected as generally the 3rd religion founded in the game.
 
They have mostly included civilizations that have build great empires and have been dominant in their region at one time. While Isreal may have had great impact on religions and wars they have never been a great military empire.
 
I thought some more of it, and while I dislike many of the aspect of Isrealiean polictics in the modern world, it would a lot of fun to play the Isreali nation from King Davids time.

Ofcourse there should be a special video for winning the diplomatic victory as Isreal whereafter you are corronated in the Temple of Salomon and proclaims yourself God :D
 
Mîtiu Ioan said:
Why to insert such an empire ? :confused:
Jew diaspora had a big impact on many civilisation, also did Judaism as religion - and this was included in the game - but Israel Empire/State had only a small existance/impact on general history.

Regards
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Well the way i see it, it's had an impact on overall from the times of the Kings of old. Like other civilizations its had its golden ages and its downfalls
Like the greeks,romans, and Persian, Israel also possesed and empire in the times of king Solomon that was primarly composed of land from sinay penninsula to the Jordan and Lebannon. And it had many important cities of the time, that were commercial routes. But it had it's downfall many civilazations.And there impact was profoundly felt in that period of time.
Like the incas and the mayans had it in there time. Now they are just a memory.
 
Maybe because it's a 60 year old country, don't confuse long history of Judaism with the sovereign country of Israel. And honestly, does a modern country of 6 million comprise an empire? It'd need a big brother civilization in order to spoon feed it nuclear weapons and Apache helicopters.
 
pub hero said:
Maybe because it's a 60 year old country, don't confuse long history of Judaism with the sovereign country of Israel. And honestly, does a modern country of 6 million comprise an empire? It'd need a big brother civilization in order to spoon feed it nuclear weapons and Apache helicopters.
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Use the standards of the old civilazations.
 
Has Israel been in previous Civ games? I only started playing with Civ 3 and I know it wasn't in that. Maybe it's just because it's not been done before that it's not been done this time.

On the other had, Israely expansion in the 1960s was pretty bloody and these days is considered controversial at the least in some quarters. Being able to re-enact such events to some degree might have put Firaxis off.
 
warpstorm said:
There are many worthy civilizations throughout history. They could only do a few.
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Pshaw. Compared to the time and effort it took to code the game, adding in new civilizations is penny ante. They could have included 100 different choices if they wanted to. But then they couldn't sell an expansion.

I'm not complaining, mind you. There are ample choices in Civ IV as it stands and it's easy enough to mod in new civs at will. But saying they could only do a few is pretty disingenuous.
 
I don't see a basis for an Israeli Empire either. As has been mentioned, Israel hasn't been around that long, and it's survival is really only garunteed by the United States. After all, it is the US that gave Israel nukes. The US also spends something like $5 billion dollars annually to buy Egypt and Israel off from going to war. Israel would not now exist if it were not for US funding and military aid.

And one could certainly going into issues of occupation and of people going from oppressed to oppressor, but I shall refrain...To the point, I think this game, in its 'vanilla' form tries to avoid controversy overall. Issues with Israel (and necessarily Palestine) are rather controversial.

Although, there still are interesting statements made. If I remember right, you get Fascism and you can build Mt. Rushmore. That's awesome... :lol:
 
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