Official suggestions for new civs/leaders thread

Since so many people complain about it, I'll do something about it.

New leaders take this form:
Leader name:
Civilization led:
Traits:
Favorite Civic:
Reason:

New civs take the form:
Civilization Name:
Color:
Banner:
Unique Unit:
Leader 1:
Traits:
Favorite Civic:
Reason:
Leader 2:
Traits:
Favorite Civic:
Reason:

So, for example:

Leader Name: Meiji
Civilization led: Japan
Traits: Industrious, Expansive
Favorite Civic: Free Market
Reason: Arguably the most important person in modern Japanese history. Reestablished the authority of the Imperial throne. Ordered the industrialization of Japan and the reorganization of the Japanese military and government along Western lines while retaining Japanese culture. Pushed Japan into a position of power in the Pacific; under his rule, the Japanese military defeated the Russians in 1905-1907 in the crushing Russo-Japanese War; it was a blow to the concept of white supremacy and took the diplomatic skills of Teddy Roosevelt to end.

And another example:
Civilization Name: Israel
Color: Blue
Banner: Yellow menorah on blue field (not Star of David to avoid confusion with Judaism symbol)
Unique Unit: Zealot (replaces Swordsman, free Guerrilla I promotion) (refers to the freedom fighters of ancient Israel)
Leader 1: Judah Maccabee
Traits: Aggressive, Spiritual
Favorite Civic: Theocracy (his title was High Priest, for crying out loud!)
Reason: Liberated Israel from Greek rule, not a prophet so portrayal won't offend Muslims.
Leader 2: David Ben-Gurion
Traits: Financial, Expansive
Favorite Civic: Organized Religion OR Environmentalism (democratic socialist)
Reason: Founded modern State of Israel. First Prime Minister thereof. One tough guy.

And another example:
Civilization Name: Israel
Color: Blue
Banner: Yellow menorah on blue field (not Star of David to avoid confusion with Judaism symbol)

Why not a silver/red Star of David on a blue field above/below a gold Menorah? or a gold Menorah on a blue field superimposed on a silver/red Star of David? Or even vice versa?

Leader 1: Judah Maccabee

I would have said King David.

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Leader 2: David Ben-Gurion

King Solomon?

About the UU: Mossad Spy or Zealot.

Symbol:

I didn't want to make a mess of symbols (combining Star of David and menorah) or violate the [wiki]rule of tincture[/wiki], which most of the other of the other banners follow. Note that the [wiki]Coat of arms of Israel[/wiki] has no Star of David on it.

Leaders: I had two things in mind: not offending Muslims (who would be offended by showing the faces of Solomon or David) and to reflect both ancient and modern Israel. Judah Maccabee is undoubtedly an important leader and relatively uncontroversial (kinda like Gandhi), and while Muslims may not like David Ben-Gurion, they can't call making a picture of him sacrelige. (for the record, I am a Muslim myself.)

Now, does anyone have any suggestions? C'mon, there are loads!

the nations of Tambora and Indochina, home of the ethnic Indonesians, Thai and Vietnamese, should be included. This is because there are no Southeast Asian civilisations present.

Great idea. Like the form, keeps things neat and tidy.


Civilization Name: Byzantine Empire (Ik similiar to roman, but still...)
Color: Cyan
Banner: Three rings connected in the middle, yellow on cyan background
Unique Unit: Greek Fire Ships
Leader 1: Justinian 1
Traits: Aggressive, Organized, Expansive, or Spiritual
Favorite Civic: Bueracracy
Reason: It played a major part in linking Europe to the Middle East for many years, and played a big part in the Crusades. It kept military tradition of the Roman empire alive, and also helped keep education and learning alive in the midst of the dark ages.

Mentioned heaps but a great leader and plenty of room for debate.

Name: Winston Churchill
Civilization Led: England (strictly UK, pos. backlash amongst Welsh, Scots, Loyalist Irish?)
Traits: Industrious and either Organized or Agressive (more for the cheap barracks/better troops than actual agressive tendancies)
Favourite Civic: Nationhood
Reason: Voted the greatest Briton ever. Truely inspirational wartime leader. Would look ace in diplomacy, chomping away on a cigar, flashing the V for victory.

Leader name: Xerxes
Civilization led: Persia
Traits: Aggressive, Philosophical
Favorite Civic: Vassalage
Reason: Major part in Persian history,led a war against some Greek City states,
really cool.

Leader name:Lenin, or Stalin
Civilization led:Russia
TraitsLenin) Philosophical, Organized (Stalin) Aggressive, Expansive
Favorite Civic: (Lenin) State Property (Stalin) Police State
Reason:I feel the U.S.S.R. needs to be represented in the game.

And finally ik this one is going to run into a lot of opposition, but there are some leaders who are very cruel. Mao Zedong starved his people to , and Genghis Khan was an insane, torturing warmonger. I do feel it is hard to adequately represent germany without this guy.

Leader name:Hitler
Civilization led:Germany
Traits:Aggresive, Expansive
Favorite Civicolice State
Reason:See above ^

Hehe.
I don't like fascists, and on top of that, this was discussed ad nauseam before Civ4 came out.

In any case, here's a new one:
Civilization Name: Ethiopia (or Abyssinia, or Axum, I don't care)
Color: Hmm...Yellow?
Banner: Black Ark of the Covenant on a yellow field (the Ethiopians are positively obsessed with their possesion of that object)
Unique Unit: I don't know.
Leader 1: Negus Ezana
Traits: Aggressive, Spiritual or Aggressive, Philosophical
Favorite Civic: Organized Religion (pushed his religion, did not rule through it)
Reason: Arguably the greatest ruler of any Abyssinan kingdom in history. Converted to Christianity, making his country the first Christian major power. In spite of his faith's nominal pacifism (they took those verses seriously back then), he destroyed the Nubian capital Meroe.

Civ Name:Scotland
Color:Yellow
Banner:Scottish Thistle
Uniuqe unit:Highlander (Swordsman with Guriella I, Blitz and woodsman I promotion)
Leader 1:Queen Margret
Traits:spiritual, Financial
Favorite Civic:Organised religion
Reason:I'm tired of my people being represented by the Celts. They weren't unified state, just a different race. Also Queen Margret was the one who broght christianity to Scotland

Civilization Name: Hittites
Color: dark green?
Banner: A Lion (lion gates at hattusa)
Unique Unit: Anatolian Chariot
Leader 1: Suppiluliuma
Traits: Industrious, Agressive
Favorite Civic: Vassalage
Reason: The Hittites were very important people in ancient middle east, just as much as Egypt or Babylon.

Civilization Name: Carthage
Color: Light Blue (representing the sea), or purple (phoenician dye)
Banner: A column, or a tusk (hannibal's elephant)
Unique Unit: Tribal Merceneries (replace axeman), or Sacred Legions (replace spearman)
Leader 1: Dido
Traits: Industrious, financial
Favorite Civic: Free Market
Leader 2: Hannibal
Traits: Agressive, Organised
Favorite Civic: Nationalism
Reason: Carthage! The Richest City in the Ancient World (before 146BCE, when it became a salty field of ruins)

Civilization name: Atlantis
Color: Sea blue
Banner: Dolphin
Uniuqe unit:Flag spearman (sprearman with amphibous) or an improved Galley
Leader: King Neptune
Traits: Industrious, Organised
Favorite civic: Mercantalism
reason: I just went to the Atlantis hotel

Leader name: Theodore Roosevelt
Civilization led: America
Traits: Agressive, Industrious
Favorite Civic :Bureaucracy
Reason: Teddy Roosevelt got things done. With his leadership, the Panama Canal was built.

Civilization Name: Siam
Color: Red (red background on flags before 1917, red bands on flags after 1917)
Banner: white elephant
Unique Unit: An improved maceman
Leader 1: King Ramkamhaeng
Traits: Creative, Organised
Favorite Civic: Hereditary Rule
Reason:

gianluca790 said:

the nations of Tambora and Indochina, home of the ethnic Indonesians, Thai and Vietnamese, should be included. This is because there are no Southeast Asian civilisations present.

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Civilization Name: Ottomans
Color: Orange? (colour in civ3)
Banner: Red with a white crescent
Unique Unit: Janissary (musketman)
Leader 1: Suleiman
Traits: Creative, Agressive
Favorite Civic: Hereditary Rule
Reason: Dominates the Middle East and Eastern Europe from the 14th to the late 19th century.

Leader name: Emperor Wudi
Civilization led: China
Traits: Philosophical, Agressive
Favorite Civic: Hereditary Rule
Reason: Rule during the height of the Han Dynasty

Leader name: Ramesses II
Civilization led: Egypt
Traits: Organised, Expansive
Favorite Civic: Hereditary Rule
Reason: Great ruler of Egypt, rule during the last period of Egyptian supremacy in the Middle East until the Ptolemies.

question, could I make a leader for anoyher persons civ here?

Nuclear kid said:

question, could I make a leader for anoyher persons civ here?

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Sure, knock yourself out.

Leader: Theroda
Civ led: Byzantium
Traits: Industriou, Spiritual
Favorite civic: Bureauracracy
Reason: Helped herself and Justinian stay on the throne, by helping Justinian stay during the Nike riots

Nuclear kid said:

Also Queen Margret was the one who broght christianity to Scotland

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No she wasn't. The Scots were Christian 500 years before she set foot there, and Christianity has been present in what's now Scotland since Rome stalked the earth.

I guess my teacher shoves false info down my un-sespecting throat

Reason:I'm tired of my people being represented by the Celts. They weren't unified state, just a different race. Also Queen Margret was the one who broght christianity to Scotland

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I AGREE 100% Nuclear_Kid! Having the Celts represent Wales, Scotland, Ireland etc. is like having one civ called Native Americans to represent all Red Indian tribes. Or having a civ called the Mediterraneans to represent Rome, Italy, Greece, France, Spain... or, not having the Americans in the game because 99% of them are descended from inhabitants of other nations.

Civ Name: Wales
Colour: Red, or Blue, or Green
Banner: Red Dragon on white and green background
Uniuqe unit: Welsh Longbowman

Leader 1: Llywelyn Fawr
Traits: Financial, Organised
Favorite Civic: State Property
Reason: Llywelyn Fawr (Llywelyn the Great) was Prince of Wales (i.e. King. Stupid English stealing titles) in the thirteenth century, when the nation as a whole was last at its height.

Leader 2: Owain Glyndw^r
Traits: Aggressive, Financial
Favorite Civic: Nationhood
Reason: A more revolutionary and popular leader. Led a revolution against the English occupation in the early 1400s, almost deposing and destroying England as a nation (and changing the course of history, because if he had, there would have been no British Empire). He appears in Shakespeare (spelt Glendower).

Reason for Civ: Nobody's ever made Wales into a Civilization, for Civ3 or Civ4. As a nation they have a longer lasting language, culture and national heritage than England. Plus (all due respect to Scots or Irish) our language and culture is more alive than any other Celtic nation; with 300,000+ speakers today, with more and more every year.

I would be happy to provide Civilopedia entries, great people (from all categories), city lists etc. to anyone with the technical knowledge to make a mod.

Excellent! Now for some more stuff:

Leader Name: Pericles
Civilization Led: Greeks (duh)
Traits: Well, for the moment, Expansive/Organized (waiting for new traits...)
Favorite Civic: Universal Suffrage (after all, its closest equivalent in Ancient Greece gave him all that power)
Reason: Well, for one thing, it was under his influence that Athens reached its height; it was, for the longest time, the most powerful state in Greece thanks to him. He also ordered the beautification of Athens, and the Parthenon is his crowning acheivement. He presided over the revolution in Greek art which produced all the greatest works of Greek art that survive today and served as models for the Romans and the Italian Renaissance. Granted, he sparked the Peloponnesian War, but that's just another reason he should be in--they have the Peloponnesian War scenario in Warlords.