Bush lied about Katrina

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The story, from AP. I cannot find the actual video or a transcript of it.

A video showing a briefing Bush had over video link the day before Katrina hit shows that he was warned of many of the things that did in fact occur before they happened. There is also clear evidence of him lying about what he knew.

From Mayfield in the video - "I don't think any model can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not but that is obviously a very, very grave concern,"

From Bush, 4 days after Katrina - "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees"

I think that is very clear. I cannot see how you could argue that Bush was not deceiving the nation, unless he is incapable of processing and retaining this sort of information, in which case he would seem to be competently incapable of any administrative job.

Some other points from the article -

- Homeland Security officials have said the "fog of war" blinded them early on to the magnitude of the disaster. But the video and transcripts show federal and local officials discussed threats clearly, reviewed long-made plans and understood Katrina would wreak devastation of historic proportions. "I'm sure it will be the top 10 or 15 when all is said and done," National Hurricane Center's Max Mayfield warned the day Katrina lashed the Gulf Coast.

...

- Louisiana officials angrily blamed the federal government for not being prepared but the transcripts shows they were still praising FEMA as the storm roared toward the Gulf Coast and even two days afterward. "I think a lot of the planning FEMA has done with us the past year has really paid off," Col. Jeff Smith, Louisiana's emergency preparedness deputy director, said during the Aug. 28 briefing.

...

"We know that there are tens or hundreds of thousands of people in Louisiana that need to be rescued, but we would just ask you, we desperately need to get our share of assets because we'll have people dying - not because of water coming up, but because we can't get them medical treatment in our affected counties," said a Mississippi state official whose name was not mentioned on the tape.

Video footage of the Aug. 28 briefing, the final one before Katrina struck, showed an intense Brown voicing concerns from the government's disaster operation center and imploring colleagues to do whatever was necessary to help victims.

"Go ahead and do it," Brown said. "I'll figure out some way to justify it. ... Just let them yell at me."

...

One snippet captures a missed opportunity on Aug. 28 for the government to have dispatched active-duty military troops to the region to augment the National Guard.

Chertoff: "Are there any DOD assets that might be available? Have we reached out to them?"

Brown: "We have DOD assets over here at EOC (emergency operations center). They are fully engaged. And we are having those discussions with them now."

Chertoff: "Good job."

In fact, active duty troops weren't dispatched until days after the storm. And many states' National Guards had yet to be deployed to the region despite offers of assistance, and it took days before the Pentagon deployed active-duty personnel to help overwhelmed Guardsmen.

...

"They're not taking patients out of hospitals, taking prisoners out of prisons and they're leaving hotels open in downtown New Orleans. So I'm very concerned about that," Brown said.

Despite the concerns, it ultimately took days for search and rescue teams to reach some hospitals and nursing homes.

Brown also told colleagues one of his top concerns was whether evacuees who went to the New Orleans Superdome - which became a symbol of the failed Katrina response - would be safe and have adequate medical care.

"The Superdome is about 12 feet below sea level.... I don't know whether the roof is designed to stand, withstand a Category Five hurricane," he said.

Brown also wanted to know whether there were enough federal medical teams in place to treat evacuees and the dead in the Superdome.

"Not to be (missing) kind of gross here," Brown interjected, "but I'm concerned" about the medical and mortuary resources "and their ability to respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe."
 
Turner_727 said:
And the surprise that a politian lied is....?
I guess it is really not that much of a supprise, but I guess the things that make this one stand out are -

It is so easy to see he lied. The information was given over a video conference link. Did he think it was not recorded?
The lie was purely for personal gain, rather for some greater good.
He will get away with it. The only example I can think of of a minister in the uk getting caught lying to the population and no resigning is Tony Blair and the missile capability of Iraq.
 
One thing I've learned about american politics is that sooner or later, probably sooner, the politician is going to lie about something obvious and get caught up in it. And not a damn thing will happen.

I guess the point I'm making is I don't get worked up over such falsehoods anymore. Politicians lie. It's what they do. YMMV.
 
Turner_727 said:
One thing I've learned about american politics is that sooner or later, probably sooner, the politician is going to lie about something obvious and get caught up in it. And not a damn thing will happen.

I guess the point I'm making is I don't get worked up over such falsehoods anymore. Politicians lie. It's what they do. YMMV.
Is this a good reason to give them carte blanche? Instead, we must realize that they do lie, take everything they say with a grain of salt and punish them when they are caught out. Have we all become too entrenched in party politics or too appathetic (or both)?
 
Yeah! lets fix bush.. to the electric chair!
 
Ha, he wasn't informed of the Al-Gaida 911 attack either.
 
There's no such thing as an honest politician. Their like unicorns or dragons.
 
Sidhe said:
There's no such thing as an honest politician. Their like unicorns or dragons.

Bright day
One would expect that there is some really really nasty dictator or native monarch that is honest about his feeling. "I don't care in a bit that you are starving so nyah and enjoy being quartered..."
 
Sidhe said:
There's no such thing as an honest politician. Their like unicorns or dragons.
Yeah! Never leap frog a politician kids!
 
Bush was amazingly ignorant of most things during Katrina. He wasn't aware that Brown was doing a terrible job and a few days after Katrina, he said Brown was doing "a heck of a job."

EDIT: I'm looking for a video of some Louisiana Congresswoman who spoke to Bush after Katrina. She states that Bush really didn't know that Brown was doing a miserable job. I can't find it at the moment.

By the way:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown-Timeline-Katrina.wmv

Edit again: This might be the one.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/nancy1.wmv

Edit another time: Here it is.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/08.html#a4861
 
Shouldn't it be his responsibility to know these things? I notice that much of the recent report excused him on grounds of him being 'out of the loop' (or similar words). Well that seems a bit pathetic. The boss, as a sensible blanket rule, should be in the know in any organisation.
 
Rambuchan said:
Shouldn't it be his responsibility to know these things? I notice that much of the recent report excused him on grounds of him being 'out of the loop' (or similar words). Well that seems a bit pathetic. The boss, as a sensible blanket rule, should be in the know in any organisation.

Well, I definitely think he should know something about it before he starts making statements saying how good it's going.
 
Its amusing how some people forgive Bush for lying. Afterall, he is a politician. So it's not his fault right?

What does the man, short of pissing on ones face, have to do to get people to understand his government and policies are corrupt?
 
Alpine Trooper said:
Its amusing how some people forgive Bush for lying. Afterall, he is a politician. So it's not his fault right?

What does the man, short of pissing on ones face, have to do to get people to understand his government and policies are corrupt?

Hee hee. I am dying to hear what Hannity, FOX, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly are going to say about this. The spin ought to be good.
 
Ok, lets break this down logically and see if we can makes some sense out of it.

Samson said:
A video showing a briefing Bush had over video link the day before Katrina hit shows that he was warned of many of the things that did in fact occur before they happened. There is also clear evidence of him lying about what he knew.

Ok, he got briefed the DAY BEFORE of things that MIGHT happen. What do you think he is going to do or should do 24 hours prior to the storm hitting the city?

From Mayfield in the video - "I don't think any model can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not but that is obviously a very, very grave concern,"

From Bush, 4 days after Katrina - "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees"

I think that is very clear. I cannot see how you could argue that Bush was not deceiving the nation, unless he is incapable of processing and retaining this sort of information, in which case he would seem to be competently incapable of any administrative job.

I am not convinced of either that he lied or that he is incompetent to be honest. Ever been president? Do you know what its like? No. Me neither. Why sit in judgement over the man when you only know a small fraction of whats going on there daily?

- Homeland Security officials have said the "fog of war" blinded them early on to the magnitude of the disaster. But the video and transcripts show federal and local officials discussed threats clearly, reviewed long-made plans and understood Katrina would wreak devastation of historic proportions. "I'm sure it will be the top 10 or 15 when all is said and done," National Hurricane Center's Max Mayfield warned the day Katrina lashed the Gulf Coast.

I think you take the NHC guys comments slightly out of context. Certainly he was referring to the size of the storm, not necessarily to the amount of damage it would do.

- Louisiana officials angrily blamed the federal government for not being prepared but the transcripts shows they were still praising FEMA as the storm roared toward the Gulf Coast and even two days afterward. "I think a lot of the planning FEMA has done with us the past year has really paid off," Col. Jeff Smith, Louisiana's emergency preparedness deputy director, said during the Aug. 28 briefing.

No suprise here. This thing was screwed from the City gov level on up.

"We know that there are tens or hundreds of thousands of people in Louisiana that need to be rescued, but we would just ask you, we desperately need to get our share of assets because we'll have people dying - not because of water coming up, but because we can't get them medical treatment in our affected counties," said a Mississippi state official whose name was not mentioned on the tape.

I will certainly agree that Mississippi needed help as much as Louisiana did.

Video footage of the Aug. 28 briefing, the final one before Katrina struck, showed an intense Brown voicing concerns from the government's disaster operation center and imploring colleagues to do whatever was necessary to help victims.

"Go ahead and do it," Brown said. "I'll figure out some way to justify it. ... Just let them yell at me."

Sounds like the guy was just trying to do his job by this description.

One snippet captures a missed opportunity on Aug. 28 for the government to have dispatched active-duty military troops to the region to augment the National Guard.

Chertoff: "Are there any DOD assets that might be available? Have we reached out to them?"

Brown: "We have DOD assets over here at EOC (emergency operations center). They are fully engaged. And we are having those discussions with them now."

Chertoff: "Good job."

In fact, active duty troops weren't dispatched until days after the storm. And many states' National Guards had yet to be deployed to the region despite offers of assistance, and it took days before the Pentagon deployed active-duty personnel to help overwhelmed Guardsmen.

Misunderstanding on your part. DOD assets at an EOC are simply the military personnel manning the emergency operations center. I am sure they were extremely busy in that EOC thus the comment "they are fully engaged". Please tell me of another impending disaster where the Active Military was mobilized PRIOR to the disaster taking place before the extent of the damage was known? There are other things that have to happen as well. There is a compact among the states for disaster support. I know for a fact that LA didnt request assistance via this compact until after the storm, as my office worked on it some. Also, I am fairly sure that the president cant just "invade" a state with Active Duty Troops without some type of consent of the states Governor. Did the Gov of LA give that kind of request/approval? I dont think so.

"They're not taking patients out of hospitals, taking prisoners out of prisons and they're leaving hotels open in downtown New Orleans. So I'm very concerned about that," Brown said.

Despite the concerns, it ultimately took days for search and rescue teams to reach some hospitals and nursing homes.

Question: Who is "they"? Is this an indication by Brown to say that the local officials were not taking their own precautions in the face of the hurricane? Sounds like it to me.

Brown also told colleagues one of his top concerns was whether evacuees who went to the New Orleans Superdome - which became a symbol of the failed Katrina response - would be safe and have adequate medical care.

"The Superdome is about 12 feet below sea level.... I don't know whether the roof is designed to stand, withstand a Category Five hurricane," he said.

Brown also wanted to know whether there were enough federal medical teams in place to treat evacuees and the dead in the Superdome.

"Not to be (missing) kind of gross here," Brown interjected, "but I'm concerned" about the medical and mortuary resources "and their ability to respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe."

And history shows he was right to be concerned. However, the state of LA ordered people to the Superdome and then didnt provide enough food and water for those people. FEMA didnt order the people there, the local and state gov did. FEMA had concerns about that, rightfully so.

You see, the feds are in kind of a tough spot here. Is their mandate to "do for" an inept local and state government? I dont think so. Once again, and I repeat, the first responders in this type of situation and the local and state government assets, NOT the Active Military or other federal assets. Once people realize this, then they will truly understand where the main blame should lay.

All you have to do is look at that picture that was published of all the un-used and underwater school buses that SHOULD have been used to ferry people out of NO. That kind of inaction is what is criminal and yet the guy is running for re-election.

Bah.
 
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