Secretary of State - Trades!

Trades are open, and here's the stats:

Russia has: Fising (91 beakers - will trade), Archery (138 beakers - will trade), Masonry (184 beakers - will trade)
Germany has: Fishing (91 beakers - will trade), Archery (138 beakers - will trade), Masonry (won't trade), Iron Working (won't trade).
Mongols have the same techs as Russia and will trade.

Mongols lack Writing.
Russia lacks Alphabet and Mysticism.
Germany lacks Writing and Mysticism.

Possible Trades: (Note, Mongols are pretty much excluded)

Russia -

We give Mysticism for Archery.
We give Alphabet for Masonry, Fishing and Archery.
They will not give anything yet to declare war on the Mongols.

Germany -

We give Mysticism for Fishing.
We give Writing for Archery and Fishing.

As Minister of Science - my goals from trades were as follows:

1. Get Iron Working
2. Get Religious Techs
3. Get Fishing & Sailing

Goals #1 and 2 are out for obvious reasons. So that leaves my main goal of this entire thing to be to get Fishing & Sailing (saves us 14 turns). I would like to trade Mysticism to Russia for Fishing, and then see who has Sailing and trade Writing for it (preferrably Germany).

I would like to withhold Alphabet for now, using it as possible leverage for Russia declaring war on Mongolia, and also to trade to Germany for IW once they have Writing (if we trade Writing to them for Sailing, they'll have it, we just need to wait until they're willing to give up IW). In addition, so long as we're the only civ with alphabet, it is worth more, and other civs can't trade with each other.

I think we can forego Archery here - it's quite outdated and isn't a prerequisite for anything. Masonry is a bit more important, because it's the prereq. for Monotheism, but we can do without it for now, and I'd rather not trade with Mongolia to get it (even if we're only giving them Writing). The citizens voted in This Poll to have a minimal trading policy, so I think we should stick to that and not go overboard.

Interesting!
I think that it would be enough to exchange Mysticism for Archery (w/ Russia) and for Fishing (/w Germany).
Then we'll see. After this might be possible to trade w/ Germans Writing for Sailing if they have it. - but how to do about this if we'll know this only at the beginning of the next TC ?

BTW, I wonder if these AI will even go for the religous techs seeing that the other continent(s) (?) have them. It could possibly be a leg up for us if they don't.

The more I think about it, I think that we should swap techs (Alpha for everything) with Russia. It might be good for Bismarck to start falling behind.

I checked the last save and Peter is still pleased with Ghengis and they are trading. Not sure what, but they are since the option "Stop trading with Mongolia" is in the diplo screen.

I think that we need to befriend Peter as much as we can and get him so where he can research and trade with the other AI so that we might be able to grow together.

btw, Sigma, archery is a prereq for horse archers, and I believe longbowmen. So we'll have to get it eventually IMO

Tubby Rower said:

btw, Sigma, archery is a prereq for horse archers, and I believe longbowmen. So we'll have to get it eventually IMO

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Archery is a dead end, it's not a prereq for anything. Horseback Riding gives you horse archers, and feudalism gives you longbowmen. I have verified this.

Archery is worthless at this stage, so we might as well just skip any trades with it.

I say try to get fishing, and then see what comes up over the next turnchat.

Guys, Tubby is right!
Archery IS necessary to build Archers, Horse Archers, Longbowmen and even Crossbowmen !!! ... go and check it again
And even for the Archers, I wouldn't say that they are wothless. They are good cheap defenders on hills and especially in cities (as they cen get "City garrison" promotion, while melee units can't)

archery is need for ANY of the archery units...crossbow, long bow OR horse archers..click on teh unit in teh civopedia and you will see it.

Sigma..you dont need archery to get those techs...just to build the units.

As Sec of War..I request we get archery if it is available for trade as long as we dont lose somethign more important.
I like archers( long or cross also) with 2 promos in hills and cities..but that is just my own desire.

Sigma..you dont need archery to get those techs...just to build the units.

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That would do it. Sorry for the mistake.

I guess we will need archery eventually. It's not something we need now, though, and I don't think we should give up alphabet for it.

Agreed about archery for alphabet - who needs archery this early, on such an unfair trade, when we have axemen? I think alphabet is the one tech, also, that I'd keep from the AI - preventing them from trading with each other as long as possible.

you guys need to read the first post again..its alphabet for 3 techs( archery, fishing,masonry). That is 413 beakers of research...

BUT I prefer giving mysticism to both. We equally help each of them out and we get 2 techs for the same thing..archery and fishing. And mysticism at this point does really help them get ahead of us.

Germany with iron working is a probelm that needs to be fixed soon. We need it by researching because trading wont happen before we coudl use it.

If we head straight for Iron Working, just skip archery. It won't be of much use to us anyway.

Ok, so we get archery through some trade. The bigger question was raised by Tubby Rower. Do we use trading to pump up Russia? If we decide to do that then we should trade mysticism to Bismark for fishing and then trade alphabet to Russia for archery, masonry and perhaps sailing if they have it.

I think we should to the LApha for eveything swap with The land of Rus. This would allow us to cement relations with russia, who would be willing to help us in the Horde Wars, and would help them and us keep a ever powerful Germany in check!

But giving Alphabet to Russia will let them to trade technologies w/ Germany and Mongolia, possibli increasing realitions w/ them as well.
I'm against trading Alphabet away for now. And generally for minimum trade (Archery, Fishing, Sailing)

I can go either way on this. No more discussion for me... just waiting for the poll

The polls for Russia and Germany trades are up!

Madam Secretary,

There have been calls in the forum to try to get sailing through a trade. What steps (if any) are being taken towards this goal?

BTW, does your sig have seven lines or is this just the way it shows up on my little monitor? I thought the rule of thumb was five lines in a sig?