Science Poll 3B: Technology After Alphabet

What should our next research plan be? (See below for descriptions)


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Sigma

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We have completed Alphabet, so we must decide on our next technologies. I have proposed two plans as follows:

Plan 1 involves more the advanced techs of Iron Working (swords and iron locations) and Drama (theaters = culture and happiness, leads to philosophy).
1A: Pajka pointed out that civs won't trade a tech they learned that turn. Plan 1A is to research Drama for one turn and then if Germany is still not willing to trade, switch to Iron Working.
1B: I have a hunch that Germany is not willing to part with IW, not just because they researched it this turn. Plan 1B says we should start researching IW immediately, but if Germany is willing to trade it later, we can trade it then to finish early and continue onto Drama.
Notes: Since these two options are very similar, their votes will be counted together to be compared with other plans, and then if it wins, the sub-option with more votes will be the final result. If either 1A or 1B is chosen, I will instruct the DP to check the trade window every turn during the TC so we can get IW as soon as possible.

Plan 2, suggested by Chieftess, involves researching some early religious techs. I'd suggest Meditation first, as it is required for Philosophy (founds Taoism), followed by Polytheism, as it is required for Literature. This was not explicitly what Chieftess proposed, so if you have some other ideas please post them here.
Notes: Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaisim, and Confucianism have all been founded. The earliest religion we'd be able to found is Taoism, through Drama and Philosophy (a result of picking Plan 1). Plan 2 does not found any religions, it only allows us to build temples and monasteries for religions that we don't have.

Sorry for making my descriptions long, but I wanted to make sure the people knew what they were voting for. As always, if you have any questions please post them here and I'll try to respond quickly.
This poll should be treated as a referendum.

Please note that this poll will close in 2 days from this posting.
 
woo hoo religion baby!! (we need some happiness)
 
We need happines. We have one citizen currently not working and just eating in BW.

Right now we dont have enough cities and we dont have enough military to make iron working that valuable...right now. We are not withina few turns of starting a war so axes, archers( if we trade) and spears will be fine to defend. Lets make a run at religions then trade these techs for IW.
 
We need a religion...go with Plan 2.
 
Keep in mind that all religions up through Confucianism (including Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaisim) have all been founded on the other continent(s). So the fastest way to get a religion would be to get Taoism through Philosophy, not from the early religious techs. Temples and monasteries do us no good if there are no religions on our continent.
 
And if we want to get Philosophy and found Taoism, we need Drama & Meditation. Meditation won't help us now, but Drama will. We are creative, so we build theaters at double speed and the theaters can help us a lot with happiness.
This means that the solution to happiness problem is Drama. :-)
Philosophy will take long time to research, it's a question if we can eait with Iron Working so long. On the other hand if someone has already CoL, then he has probably Meditation too, and therefore he can start researching Philosophy at any time. :(

And in the end lets look at the number of beakers we need for each religion:
Taoism - 2725 (Drama 693, Meditation 184, Philosophy 1848)
Christianity - 1662 (Polytheism 231, Monotheism 276, Theology 1155)
Islam - 5127 (as Christianity + Monarchy 693, Divine Right 2772)

Just for comparison some another important techs:
Iron Working: 462, Sailing(after Fishing): 231
 
I voted for 1B. I see no difference between starting Drama and then switching to IW if we can't buy IW and just starting IW now and switching to something else if we can buy IW.

As for a religion, do we only get happiness benefit from adopting a religion we found? If we get the same benefit from converting then let's just convert now and enjoy the happiness benefit now and not waste our time trying to reinvent the wheel to coin a phrase. ;)

Maybe we could even find a religion to convert to that would help our diplomatic relations with someone we want to be more friendly with.

@Sigma: Don't apologize for long descriptions - they actually give us poor citizens something to base our votes on. (Instead of flipping a coin I mean.) Very nice poll you posted. :goodjob:
 
donsig said:
I voted for 1B. I see no difference between starting Drama and then switching to IW if we can't buy IW and just starting IW now and switching to something else if we can buy IW.
The difference are those 26 beakers invested in IW (one turn research + rollover from Alphabet) which will get lost if we get then IW through trade.
 
I voted 1a, becuase after drame we should go for Meditation then Philoshphy for taoism and convert the continet. Also Threatres are da bomb!
 
If anything, the religion techs can be used as a bargaining chip for this heathen continent.
 
As for a religion, do we only get happiness benefit from adopting a religion we found? If we get the same benefit from converting then let's just convert now and enjoy the happiness benefit now and not waste our time trying to reinvent the wheel to coin a phrase.

We do get happiness from any religion, as long as it is our state religion (or we've switched to Free Religion). Unfortunately, there aren't any religions on our continent, so we have to found one ourselves or hope one of our neighbors does and spreads it to us.
 
I would like to change my vote from plan b to plan a1.

I would like to see us go for Philosophy, but I think that now we could get meditation in a trade somewhere down the line.
me too please.

Moderator Action: Done. -- Chieftess
 
I voted for 1b. I really don't think Germany's going to trade us IW before we finish it, and we need it in order to expand through the jungles to the south and convert them into grasslands.
 
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