Europe1092AD-EE3(expanded)scenario

This is my first scenario, it's about Medieval Europe the situation at 1092AD. I made this scenario using European Empires 3 mod http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=144971, you should make sure
you have the Expanded version of EuropaEuropa3 working properly, which you can find in the above link.
Download of 1092AD scenrio available at the link blow (it is compressed with ZIP), than extract the ZIP file in the CIV4 main folder under public maps, (not in the my games folder). U should see a WBS file named Europe 1092AD.
To play start CIV4 in the options enter advanced and load the mod EE3 (u need the expanded version with the unique unit add on), than select single player/play scenario u should see Europe1092AD, select and and play.
First i would like to THANK the people that created such an amzing mod (EE3) Arbitrary Guy and everyone else
aswell as those who created the map and the expansion THANKS. (Firaxis /2K
should hire you guys).
For those of you who will give the scenario a try i would greatly appreciate your comments reagardless of their nature, i would like to improve the scenario using your advice and help since i am a begginer.

NEW VERSION 1.11=> View attachment Europe1092AD-V1.11.zip
-Suggested Historically relevant leader names by MRDIE

VERSION 1.10 => View attachment Europe1092AD-V1.10.zip
-Rome is the Catholic Holy City
-Venice is the capital of the venetians (used to be Trieste)
-Removed a few buildings from Trieste
-Tried to ad heroes by renaming them in the World builder but it did not work
so now England has a crusader 17 experience points, robin hood (welsh longbow in Englands territory combat1 woodsman and hills defense set to pillage,
William wallace shiltron for scotland 10 exp, plus a few serbian mercenaries for the hungarian (maceman).CAN SOM1 HELP WITH PERMENATLY NAMING UNITS?

NEW VERSION 1.09 => View attachment Europe1092AD-V1.09.zip
- Venice is venetian
- New Civ Serbia
- No more Bohemia
- A few extra units to the HRE

VERSION 1.08 => View attachment Europe1092AD-V1.08.zip
-Lithuania is now pagan or to be more accurate has no religion

VERSION 1.07 =>View attachment Europe1092Ad-V1.07.zip
-HRE is now at war with France, Vatican, Bohemia and Dannemark
-Byzantine at war with Venetian and Ottoman
-Key units received experience (the crusaders, swiss guard and others)

Version 1.06
-Changed some city names
-Vienna is now HRE/ Graz is Venetian/ Zagreb is Hungarian
-Anarchy at start fixed, state religion and civic will be selected at games start
-The HRE si now at WAR with Bohemia, the Vatican is furious towards the HRE
-Some of HRE neighbors are in bad terms with Barbarossa
-Some but not all civs start with various amounts of gold
-Gold trading trhough diplomacy is not working at least for the first turn!!!
(i don't know why?!?!)

Version 1.02
-Welsh Longbow removed from Lithuania
-Justinian should convert to Orthodox now

Here is a picture of a European map at 1090AD which i used to create the scenario .
The score situation is the following
Suleiman 484
Justinian 463 (Byzantine's millitary is weak and at war with Suleiman)
Barbarossa 443
Alexander VI 427 (the papal states are limited to Rome but well poised to expand and Holding a Tech edge)
Peter 414 (Russia is large but weak)
Louis XIV 394
Valdemar 385 (holding the Viking explorations)
Mathias 374
Gustav 372
Sobieski 371
Henry VII 371
Vyantautas 365
Loredano 365
Wenceslaus 355
Frederick 351
Robert the Bruce 351
Ferdinand 348
Jaume 345
-There's room for expansion (barbarian cities) in the Iberian penninsula for the Spanish Kingdoms, same goes for Russia and the Scandinavian Kingdoms and the Welsh and Irish are barbarian cities too.
-The Venetians with Loredano are really supposed to be the Serbs according to that map. If you want to play as the Serbs you should rename the Venetians at the beggining of the game.
-European Wonders(featured in EE3) built by 1090AD are located in their aproximate geographical locations
-Most nations start off with the same technological advances except fot the Papal states, who have a significant edge. The Scandinavians hold the Viking explorations and Suleiman of the Ottoman, the Compass.
-Europe is mainly Catholic, but Russia, Byzantine and Ottoman are three large Empires which differ
-Some weaker nations have various amounts of starting gold(100 to 500), strong ones very little if any.
You are able to customize your nation's Leader Traits ie (aggressive/industrious), and you can also chose your UU from existing ones in the mod EE3(Expanded) but i would only suggest you do so if you have done it before ( if not consult CIV4 Creation and Customization Forum)

View attachment Civ4map1092AD.bmpView attachment Mainscreen1090ad.bmp
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looks good

hmmm i started a game as Perussia and quickly was going to from an alience with the Russians to try and kill the lithuainians only to realise they have Welsh longbowmen?

TANK YOU VERY MUCH WEI
I fixed that issue, had to delete cities since right clicking on them didn't work(if some1 could give me a tip on doing that i would appreciate it)
new version now available 1.02 should be without that big mistake.
i would like to ask if it is possible to make a great empire with the prussians
since they start with only 2 cities and next to some strong nations.
i would like this scenario to be relatively balanced. And i could give more units to the Prussians since they don't have a medieval UU. I alreaday gave the prussians as many buildings in their cities as i could.
What do you think WEI?

JediPimp said:

TANK YOU VERY MUCH WEI
I fixed that issue, had to delete cities since right clicking on them didn't work(if some1 could give me a tip on doing that i would appreciate it)
new version now available 1.02 should be without that big mistake.
i would like to ask if it is possible to make a great empire with the prussians
since they start with only 2 cities and next to some strong nations.
i would like this scenario to be relatively balanced. And i could give more units to the Prussians since they don't have a medieval UU. I alreaday gave the prussians as many buildings in their cities as i could.
What do you think WEI?

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I dont think they could become great but mediocre at best i conquered Helsinki then build up my millatery THEN i saw the welsh longbowmen i started a new game with Bohemia and i havent found any bugs there yet though i did conqurer Purssia with the help of the HRE and Russia as for the balance i woudnt say any nation is overly strong (to my knowlage) or overly weak something interesting did happen though I and the Byzentines were fighting agianst the Ottomans when the HRE declared war on the Byzentines and The Byzentines were catholic but thats civ for you

I tried it with Hungary and:
-Debrecen is almost outside of the Carpathian Basin. It should be placed more south-west or rename it to Ungvár, which is nearly at the same location
-oradea SHOULD be renamed to Nagyvárad
-instead of Graz maybe you should give Zagreb to Hungary

I think you should pre-assign the state-religions so there is no need for an anarchy in the first turn.
Vienna to Bohemia? I think it should go to HRE.

Nice Job! Too bad the map does not support the Holy Land for the crusades.

edit: I'm always a bit confused about cardinal points. when I wrote southeast, I meant southwest

Wei-Yan said:

The Byzentines were catholic but thats civ for you

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Indeed Wei i saw the same thing i made a mistake making a city ''Plovdiv"
in today's Bulgaria catholic and along with ''Valachia"; were making the Byzantine convert to catholicism probably due to the political benefits of doing so (many friends) maybe sometimes CIV4 AI is wise, not sure though
-However in V-1.02 from what i saw Justinian/Byz(converted to Orthodox)
PS
i would suggest to wait a bit if you want to play an improved version WEI
i will do adjustements shortly probably should see 1.03 or 1.04 in a few hours
as i am looking into Holy One's comments

HolyOne said:

I tried it with Hungary and:
-Debrecen is almost outside of the Carpathian Basin. It should be placed more south-east or rename it to Ungvár, which is nearly at the same location
-oradea SHOULD be renamed to Nagyvárad
-instead of Graz maybe you should give Zagreb to Hungary

I think you should pre-assign the state-religions so there is no need for an anarchy in the first turn.
Vienna to Bohemia? I think it should go to HRE.

Nice Job! Too bad the map does not support the Holy Land for the crusades.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH HOLY ONE
i see your comment in 3 parts:
1-City names +Graz Zagreb
2-start w/ state religion
3-Vienna for HRE
I completly agree with 1 and 2 and i am hestitent about 3
1-i will make those changes right away
2- i will edit the WBS file for starting religions*
*i tried that with the byzantine at first but they were still converting(catholic so i had to make all their cities with orthodox=historically inaccurate for Valachia) i know how to but it's still a mystery for me to see if it will actually work
furthermore i will need to edit each civ's civics that way it will gradually reduce the anarachy at begginig issue
3- i intentionally shrinked the borders of the HRE
i had to weigh the historical accuracy VS balance
if i made HRE as they historically were at 1090
they would be too strong of an empire and it would most likely be impossible for them to decline at later stages or atleast thats the feeling i have ( which in turn wouldn't be historically accurate aswell)
However i also think it would only be fair to have maximum accuracy at beggining this is why i am hestitantatleast for now
i hope for more great suggestions like yours to help both historical accuracy and balance

Maybe you should give them the orthodox holy city, so they stay orthodox.
I also made an edit in my previous post, please check it, 'cause I made some confusion.

By assigning the religions you just prevented the first turn anarchy as there is no need for a revolution to convert to a religion.

A good way of limiting the power of HRE is to give them a low infrastructure, with few workers and a smaller military (compared to that outstreched empire) This will give them financial and research difficulties as city maintance and civic upkeeps are high. And a few pre-set wars should also do the trick

-Implement the changes suggested by Holy One
NB
i had bug issues due to the hyphonics of some of the central European nations and Scandinavia( i couldnt edit the city that had lets say 2 points on top of an O for example so i would like to appologize to all those who can't see some well known cities properly spelled)
- i would like to ask WEI, HOLY1 and ev1 else about the civics that diffrent kingdoms should start with?
* all nations have acces to same civic options which you can see available at scenario start except for Vatican they have
Theology along with Divine right Philosophy, Drama and Litterature
so they have more civic options, i think crusade would definately be one for the papal states
*Dannemark, Sweden and Ottoman have 1 tech more
Viking explorations and compass for Ottoman but they dont affect the civics

HolyOne said:

Maybe you should give them the orthodox holy city, so they stay orthodox.
I also made an edit in my previous post, please check it, 'cause I made some confusion.

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Unless i made a mistake Constantinople is the Orthodox Holy City
(hard to see because of garrisoned units)

HolyOne said:

By assigning the religions you just prevented the first turn anarchy as there is no need for a revolution to convert to a religion.

A good way of limiting the power of HRE is to give them a low infrastructure, with few workers and a smaller military (compared to that outstreched empire) This will give them financial and research difficulties as city maintance and civic upkeeps are high. And a few pre-set wars should also do the trick

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I indeed made HRE with weak infrastructure in terms of city buildings
I would like to make them have bad relations with atleast a few nations or even at war any suggestions as to whom that should be
a natural enemy of similar size would be France what do you think?

Perhaps the papal states and Bohemia, just to have an enemy on each side And this is not at all inaccurate as there were a serious conflict with the pope and the Kingdom of Bohemia was conquered in the 13th century, I think. Emperor Henrik also tried to conquer us three times unsuccesfully in the middle of the 11th century

JediPimp said:

Unless i made a mistake Constantinople is the Orthodox Holy City
(hard to see because of garrisoned units)

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Oh, I did not noticed that. Anyway, give them the shrine and they will even begin to spread orthodoxy via missionaries
Just kidding.
Although the Byzantines were far from being in military and economic trouble in this period of time, which caused their fall later. This time they are still a major power.

Looks nice but Malmö is completely missplaced, should be by the strait of öresund, its very annoying since i live there

Stellan_87 said:

Looks nice but Malmö is completely missplaced, should be by the strait of öresund, its very annoying since i live there

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It's not enough you guys win the olympic gold in HOCKEY but you still find reasons to complain
Just joking bro
i changed Malmö to Karlskrona though even that is not totally correct but alot better than putting Malmö 500KM to the East
THANKS STELLAN FOR NOTICING
personally i wouldn't like it if someone placed Montreal in the Toronto area so
i am glad you told me.

I played with England(Noble) for a while and it is possible to win with them
i had replaceble parts and rifling giving me the redcoat before others had those tech.
During the game Empires which historically declined after the midle ages
HRE and Byzantine ended up last in the score after about 80 turns
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