Citizen Complaint 1 : Jury Poll

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People v Curufinwe, Chief Justice

Trial Discussion Thread

As noted in the trial discussion thread, Curufinwe, the current Chief Justice, is accused of violating Article F Section 3 of the Constitution:
in the matter of Judicial Review JR7, by refusing to appoint a pro-tempore justice for that specific JR, at the request of several citizens. The allegation is that failing to appoint a pro-tem violates the quoted article by not being impartial. It is noted without further comment that a Citizen Complaint proceeding takes a minimum of 4 days to process.

Citizens, you are asked to determine if the actions (or inactions) of Curufinwe in this action violated the above referenced law. This poll is not about deciding whether the referenced law is important, or the relative merits of the phrases contained in that law, or the degree to which this law may have been broken, or whether such action is justified. It is a simple question, was the law followed, or not followed.

As always in DemoGame trials, the accused, Curufinwe, is assumed to be innocent unless you, the citizens, determine that the actions in question did not follow the referenced law.

Vote Innocent if you think Curufinwe's actions followed the law.
Vote Guilty if you think Curufinwe's actions did not follow the law.
Vote Abstain if you are unable to decide.

This poll is private and will be open for 2 days, according to Judicial Procedures.

DaveShack,
Chief Justice pro-tempore

Innocent. I feel that Ravensfire presented a very strong case, and that the evidnce(if any!) against Curufinwe is circumstanstial at best. The arguments made are not nearly enough to convict.

Let Curu sit, please aquit(sp?)

Innocent. Curufinwe's wrong doings weren't very clear. There for i had reason to doubt his guilt.

he is innocent. stider is right this is entirely pointless. Nobody resigned and curu was legally appointed. i fail to see the problem here.

I have voted Innocent. This is why:

The issue here is whenever or not was acting fair, impartial, public and speedy manner in relation to Judical Review 7.

Was Curufinwe acting impartial when refused to recuse himself from the Judical Review?

The only time when a Chief Justice would be expected to recuse himself is when the case would have a direct effect apon the Cheif Justice.

In this case the Judical Review would be deciding if the former Chief Justice had been legally appointed if the ruling was yes then the current Chief Justice would need to stand down. So the current Chief Justice would be deciding whenever or not he would lose his job. This would be a Conflict of Interest and Chief Justice would be expected to Recuse Hisself.

But this situation is different, the former Chief Justice resigned knowning full well that in the up coming application Process he may not get the job back. He did resign even if the exact wording of the declartion was "standdown" looking at the context of this declartion it is obvious the true intent was to resign.

Because the former Chief Justice resigned, the current Chief Justice will not have to decided this own fate. Therefore there is NO CONFLICT OF INTREST.

If there is no conflict of interest then there is no reason for the Chief Justice to recuse hisself. So by refusing to recuse the Chief Justice was ACTING IMPARTIAL.

The other Argument is that because of all the confusion relating to the appiontments the Chief Justice should recuse himself simply to appear impartial. I belive as there so no conflict of interest the Chief Justice should not recuse, simply because public oppion said so. The Judciary needs to appear impartial and making legal decisions based solely on the demands of a few citizens is not impartial. The Chief Justice was appionted by our President and Confirmed by our citizens and he should not be forced around by few interested citizens. Also the Fact that the Chief Justice recused hisself from this courtcase shows that he is in fact fair and Impartial.

Curufinwe's actions risked the apearance of biased, and certainly did not ensure a speedy trial. He knew that judging a case that involved this term's CJ position would raise some eyebrows. He also knew that attempting to try this case would bring about a CC, and would cause a huge distraction in the process --- one that he must have known would bring almost all judicial activity to a halt.

While Curufinwe did the principled thing, I can't really say that he did the honorable one. Rather than rising above his accuser in stature by stepping aside for the case in question, Curufinwe decided to jump right into the mudpit instead. At one point, he even considered
putting forth Nobody as CJ pro tem for this trial! Can you imagine?

Well, for judging over my CC and whether or not it has merit, I would like to appoint Nobody as a pro-tem justice, given that what I've seen of his judgement seems fair (another value I've done my best to uphold, along with the other 3) and seek Chillaxations assent.

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This lack of understanding of judicial matters is quite troubling, so I must vote a tentative Guilty on these charges. It's also troubling that the three major players in this debacle are now going to try to corner the Judiciary by playing the martyr card against the not-as-misguided-as-you-think actions of donsig (who is also running for PD).

Please send a message and vote along with me. If we allow ourselves to reinforce a lack of foresight from our judges, we will find ourselves in the same mess next term.

Donovan Zoi said:

This lack of understanding of judicial matters is quite troubling, so I must vote a tentative Guilty on these charges. It's also troubling that the three major players in this debacle are now going to try to corner the Judiciary by playing the martyr card against the not-as-misguided-as-you-think actions of donsig (who is also running for PD).

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Ill just say that this entire thing started when Chieftess Nominated me, and iv been trying to do whats right and less problematic the entire time. I accepted because i thought we needed a Chief Justice and noone else wanted it. Then i resigned because i wanted save any argument and let another appiontment process resolve the issue. Then i started the stupid JR just to clarify the law not retake the office. As note when i posted the JR.

So dont accuse me of your conspricy <snip>

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Donovan Zoi said:

It's also troubling that the three major players in this debacle are now going to try to corner the Judiciary by playing the martyr card against the not-as-misguided-as-you-think actions of donsig (who is also running for PD).

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Question: 1)Are you saying i shouldn't run because i got involved in the arguements, and 2) Did you vote guilty because you don't like Curufinwe's legal opinions, or because he actually thought he broke the law.

Curufinwe has been found Innocent. This CC is now concluded.