Freedom of Religion: Discussion

GenMarshall · May 13, 2006

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution gave United States citizens the right to freedom of religion as well as ensuring a separation of church and state.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

I feel that the freedom of religion is a good thing for it allows people to worship to whomever they want and for the atheists the freedom not to believe. I believe that the freedom of religion should not be just an American right but a universal human right.

Its also sad to see that there are people who live in areas of the world without the freedom of religion and are persecuted if they dont conform to the state religion

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I am opening up the floor on this discussion on this topic

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Inqvisitor · May 13, 2006

I respect your secular opinion, though I am obliged to oppose "freedom of religion" as a Catholic.

Xanikk999 · May 13, 2006

I dont think anyone on this forum will disagree with you about freedom of religion being a good thing. Even inquisitor is agreeing with us for a change.

Inqvisitor · May 13, 2006

Xanikk999 said:
I dont think anyone on this forum will disagree with you about freedom of religion being a good thing. Even inquisitor is agreeing with us for a change.

I am?

GenMarshall · May 13, 2006

Xanikk999 said:
I dont think anyone on this forum will disagree with you about freedom of religion being a good thing. Even inquisitor is agreeing with us for a change.

Well, if you look at Inqvisitor's post in my Catholicism thread. He states that "Freedom of Religion is insanity".

Mr. Dictator · May 13, 2006

no Inqvisitor is not agreeing, he stated he opposes it but respects it

Tycoon101 · May 13, 2006

We should be more receptive to freedom of religeon, no one should be persecuted for what they believe to be correct. That's definitely one of the benefits of living in a Western society.

GenMarshall · May 13, 2006

Mr. Dictator said:
no Inqvisitor is not agreeing, he stated he opposes it but respects it

Though he views that All Catholics including myself should oppose it.

I for one am Catholic but for and support religious freedom

Inqvisitor · May 13, 2006

Liberty is a power perfecting man, and hence should have truth and goodness for its object. But the character of goodness and truth cannot be changed at option. Those remain ever one and the same and are no less changeable than nature itself. If the mind assents to false opinions, and the will chooses and follows after what is wrong, neither can attain its native fullness, but both must fall from their native dignity to an abyss of corruption. Whatever, therefore, is opposed to virtue and truth, may not rightly be brought temptingly before the eye of man, much less sanctioned by the favour and protection of the law.
--Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei

Xanikk999 · May 13, 2006

Wow this is the first time ive talked to a person who opposed freedom of religion. Isnt this the 21st century?

Inqvisitor · May 13, 2006

Xanikk999 said:
Wow this is the first time ive talked to a person who opposed freedom of religion. Isnt this the 21st century?

The Church does not change doctrines from century to century.

Tycoon101 · May 13, 2006

People have the right to believe in things that are incorrect. You mustn't try to force your opinion upon others just because you believe that you are right.

I'm Christian, but I'm not going to oppose Muslims around the world for their beliefs, if they wish to believe what they believe, then fine.

tombeef · May 13, 2006

Xanikk999 said:
Wow this is the first time ive talked to a person who opposed freedom of religion. Isnt this the 21st century?

I know plenty of religious people, who, if freedom of religion was banned, would move. It should be a human right. Unillateral decisions based on religion always lead to problems.

Tycoon101 said:
Christian, but I'm not going to oppose Muslims around the world for their beliefs, if they wish to believe what they believe, then fine.

People do need to be able to believe what they want to. What if you have two different people from two different religions who both think their own is the only way? What do you do? You give them a choice.

Tycoon101 · May 13, 2006

Inqvisitor said:
The Church does not change doctrines from century to century.

You are correct, yet God is a loving force, not an exclusive being who's teachings are brought through the Church. Your point of view is slightly skewed.

Xanikk999 · May 13, 2006

Inqvisitor said:
The Church does not change doctrines from century to century.

You know what would be funny?

I could picture you in a gay rights parade and i would love to see the look on your face. :lol:

What would you do?

This is not intended to be a flame. Just a thought.

Mr. Dictator · May 13, 2006

CivGeneral said:
Though he views that All Catholics including myself should oppose it.

I for one am Catholic but for and support religious freedom

yes and i believe it is right too

but can he show a MODERN catholic document that says religious freedom is wrong

after all didnt JPII meet constantly with leaders from opposing religions

someone should learn to let people make there own decisions and not to judge them, after all if he truly believes wouldnt he know they would get their punishment?

Inqvisitor · May 13, 2006

Tycoon101 said:
You are correct, yet God is a loving force, not an exclusive being who's teachings are brought through the Church. Your point of view is slightly skewed.

God's teachings are brought through the One Church. And through the Church He condemns the errors that came up of which there are many in the modern world, including liberty of conscience.

Tycoon101 · May 13, 2006

tombeef said:
I know plenty of religious people, who, if freedom of religion was banned, would move. It should be a human right. Unillateral decisions based on religion always lead to problems.

I agree, freedom is a right. The only problem is that countries that oppose that idea find that having a religeon to back them makes them extremely strong. Strength can be good if it's used for good, not for corrupt human ideals.

Mr. Dictator · May 13, 2006

so you think that man should interpret the bible

but yet dont all christians (and sane people for that matter) believe man is inherently evil and impure

hmm....strange

OT: i would love to see a one on one debate thread You VS. Curt

GenMarshall · May 13, 2006

Inqvisitor said:
The Church does not change doctrines from century to century.

Last time I checked (after bouts of disargeements and debates with ironduck) that I admit that the Church changes doctrines from time to time

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Also, if youre going to post scriptures. Please post in your interperatations.

Tycoon101 said:
People have the right to believe in things that are incorrect. You mustn't try to force your opinion upon others just because you believe that you are right.

I actualy agree with that statement and learned the hardway by trying to force my options down people's throughts. If a person is a seeker and is interested in my faith, I wont hesitate to help him. If a person has another faith or not, then its not my duty to interfear

Tycoon101 said:
I'm Christian, but I'm not going to oppose Muslims around the world for their beliefs, if they wish to believe what they believe, then fine.

I agree, I am a Catholic but I am not going to oppose Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, etc. If they are happy with their faith let the be. If they are interested in converting then thats ok. I pretty much would rather have an interested convert come forward to me by his or her free will.

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