Fox-04 -- The Prime Directive

GreyFox · Jul 21, 2006, 08:04 PM

Its been awhile since I last hosted an SG. Time to get the Fox series running again.

Background

One look at my avatar people should know that I am a trekkie (unless you are Kikinit who thinks the icon is a "skull-less brain singing karaoke"

). This SG is a tribute to all trekkies and star trek fans.

Since a star-trek mod is not going to happen, I'll have to make do with the Civ4 mechanics. Been pondering a while, and I think the single most important principle in star trek is the Prime Directive -- Non-Interference. This will be the underlying prinicple of this variant as well.

By the Prime Directive, that means we would not interfere with other "races" not within the United Federation of Planets (or StarFleet, if you will). Therefore, we need a mechanism to implement the Federation.

Within Civ4 mechanics, United Federation of Planets is implemented by religion. Any Civ that share our state religion is considered a member of the Federation. The Federation is considered to be founded once we found a religion, and convert to that state religion.

Variant

With the above background in mind, here are the variant:

We can only trade with Civ that share the same state religion
We cannot declare war on Civ with same state religion
We must help defend Civ with the same state religion

The Game

Map Type: To be decided. I am thinking Archipelago.
Civ Leader: To be decided. I am thinking one with higher probability of founding a religion.
Difficulty: Monarch.
Victory Condition: All enabled, we preferably win by Space.
Others: Default.

The Players

Looking for 5 or 6 players. No game skill requirement, newbie (both SG or the game) are equally welcomed.

One requirement I do have is on reporting style. Players must report their turnset using a narrative approach as a star trek character

Thus, its expected for players to be a bit of a trekkie ...

Normal SG etiquette applies. 24 hrs got-it, 48 hrs to play and post.

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Rex Tyrannus · Jul 21, 2006, 08:22 PM

Impressive, Fox, you've managed to make an exponential leap in the nerd quotient around here. Civ nerd points: 100. Star Trek nerd points: 80. Fox-04 nerd points: 8000.

GreyFox · Jul 21, 2006, 08:38 PM

Thanks for the compliment ... afterall, "Fox is Great".

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Cosmichail · Jul 21, 2006, 08:48 PM

Hey watch it that's our General Greyfox. Leader of the 10th fleet. He coming to your neighborhood soon.

Sounds like a religious SG I have seen on the forum. Too bad there isn't a mod for Star Trek but there is for Star Wars.

I have too much on the go right now and will lurk on this one.

ChrTh · Jul 21, 2006, 09:26 PM

lurker's comment:
Is Free Religion not allowed for the player?

Also, in the true spirit of Star Trek, the Prime Directive should be violated frequently between 1966 and 1969 in the game.

EDIT: BTW, the term is 'Trekker'. Only wannabes call themselves Trekkies.

GreyFox · Jul 21, 2006, 09:37 PM

Right, Free Religion is not allowed. That will implies a dissolution of the Federation!

lol @ 1966~9.

ruff_hi · Jul 21, 2006, 09:44 PM

I'm assuming that the borg naming convention should be turned off?

GreyFox · Jul 21, 2006, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruff_hi

I'm assuming that the borg naming convention should be turned off?

DEFINITELY ...

You can name them "Hue" though ...

Cosmichail · Jul 22, 2006, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Also, in the true spirit of Star Trek, the Prime Directive should be violated frequently between 1966 and 1969 in the game.

That's funny Chris didn't Jean Luc though break it too once or twice. Remember the episode with Wesley being put up for death because of crazy law on the planet they were visiting. He violated the Prime Directive there.

The people in that episode sure were sexing it up a lot.

Greyfox no takers yet. Mmmmmmm I am more and more tempted so sign me good General if you'll have me. I am a trekkie as I don't like the word trekker (because in Dutch it sounds like :):):):):):)).

Stardate 062207 we encounter a snag in the time continnium barbs raze our city DOH...... Fire torpedos and reload.

Scowler · Jul 22, 2006, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmichail

I am a trekkie as I don't like the word trekker (because in Dutch it sounds like :):):):):):)).

Hmmm. For some reason you reminded me of this - I wonder if you remember it...

Cosmichail · Jul 22, 2006, 05:01 AM

That clip is hilarious Scowler. That's the first time I've seen that to be honest. I like that "Trippin the Riff" parody of Star Wars which is pretty funny too.

namliaM · Jul 23, 2006, 08:57 AM

I know the clip and simply must sign up for this one as a trekkie Lets see... Live long and prosper ...

Is advocating our Federation (i.e. actively spreading our religion) a violation of the prime directive? It would seem logical that, as we are co-founders, we are allways looking for new members to our charter?

GreyFox · Jul 23, 2006, 09:35 AM

The problem is we can't negotiate a open borders with those not in the federation. No, its not within the spirit of the prime directive to spread it actively ... the other side but first willingly join the federation.

Okay, one sign up. You interested in doing a two-man tag team?

Seems we are the only two trekkies around

namliaM · Jul 23, 2006, 12:03 PM

A tag team SG...

It would seem logical that a firm start would possibly spark intrest...

pindicator · Jul 23, 2006, 05:11 PM

I've been away from the SG forums for a while, but I'll be happy to join.

GreyFox · Jul 23, 2006, 05:26 PM

Yet another trekkie!!!

Okay, let's get started.

Any thoughts on Civ leader and map type? I am thinking to gobble up the early religions, and found the Federation as soon as possible. So a Mysticism start would be necessary. AN archipelago map type would fit nicely to the star trek theme, each island being a planet

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Sam_Yeager · Jul 23, 2006, 05:31 PM

Hmmm. Sounds interesting. I enjoyed watching ST in all it's manifestations. I may not be quite up to the standard for reporting initially but hopefully I'll get the hang of it soon if I'm allowed to join the good ship Fox-04.

GreyFox · Jul 23, 2006, 05:44 PM

great, we are starting to build up a crew.

Welcome on board, Sam! Don't worry too much abt reporting, I am sure you can do a good job so long as you enjoy star trek

... and being English, I think you would do marvelously better than myself

Enterprise Crew
- GreyFox
- namliaM
- pindicator
- Sam Yeager

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Atlas · Jul 23, 2006, 05:44 PM

Not a sign up, but I really like the theme

.

Perhaps you should enable Permanent Alliances because the AI will eventually go to Free Religion.

pindicator · Jul 23, 2006, 05:50 PM

How about Isabella? She starts with Mysticism and with Fishing gets us closer to building (star)ships.

Jul 21, 2006, 08:04 PM	#1
GreyFox Make it so ... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Where No One Has Gone Before Posts: 5,551	Fox-04 -- The Prime Directive Its been awhile since I last hosted an SG. Time to get the Fox series running again. Background One look at my avatar people should know that I am a trekkie (unless you are Kikinit who thinks the icon is a "skull-less brain singing karaoke" ). This SG is a tribute to all trekkies and star trek fans. Since a star-trek mod is not going to happen, I'll have to make do with the Civ4 mechanics. Been pondering a while, and I think the single most important principle in star trek is the Prime Directive -- Non-Interference. This will be the underlying prinicple of this variant as well. By the Prime Directive, that means we would not interfere with other "races" not within the United Federation of Planets (or StarFleet, if you will). Therefore, we need a mechanism to implement the Federation. Within Civ4 mechanics, United Federation of Planets is implemented by religion. Any Civ that share our state religion is considered a member of the Federation. The Federation is considered to be founded once we found a religion, and convert to that state religion. Variant With the above background in mind, here are the variant: We can only trade with Civ that share the same state religion We cannot declare war on Civ with same state religion We must help defend Civ with the same state religion The Game Map Type: To be decided. I am thinking Archipelago. Civ Leader: To be decided. I am thinking one with higher probability of founding a religion. Difficulty: Monarch. Victory Condition: All enabled, we preferably win by Space. Others: Default. The Players Looking for 5 or 6 players. No game skill requirement, newbie (both SG or the game) are equally welcomed. One requirement I do have is on reporting style. Players must report their turnset using a narrative approach as a star trek character Thus, its expected for players to be a bit of a trekkie ... Normal SG etiquette applies. 24 hrs got-it, 48 hrs to play and post. -- __________________ = = = [ GreyFox's Civilization Page ] = = = Current SG: PH17: Holy Grail \| PH18: We Hate You'se

Jul 21, 2006, 08:22 PM	#2
Rex Tyrannus 280lbs of gross stupidity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC USA Posts: 2,469	Impressive, Fox, you've managed to make an exponential leap in the nerd quotient around here. Civ nerd points: 100. Star Trek nerd points: 80. Fox-04 nerd points: 8000. __________________ I am the man from Nantucket Co-creator of The Sword of the Flings Fantasy Spoof Web Comic

Jul 21, 2006, 08:38 PM	#3
GreyFox Make it so ... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Where No One Has Gone Before Posts: 5,551	Thanks for the compliment ... afterall, "Fox is Great". - __________________ = = = [ GreyFox's Civilization Page ] = = = Current SG: PH17: Holy Grail \| PH18: We Hate You'se

Jul 21, 2006, 08:48 PM	#4
Cosmichail Dark Lord of The Sith Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Korriban Posts: 2,419	Hey watch it that's our General Greyfox. Leader of the 10th fleet. He coming to your neighborhood soon. Sounds like a religious SG I have seen on the forum. Too bad there isn't a mod for Star Trek but there is for Star Wars. I have too much on the go right now and will lurk on this one. __________________ *"The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master."* "Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit - Whom virtue unites, death will not separate" "There is darkness and light in all of us. It is what life deals us that determines which is chosen" "Those that seek perfection, will only find disappointment" OOP April 28th - May 2nd (moving)

Jul 21, 2006, 09:26 PM	#5
ChrTh Mmm...tasty! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Piedmont Triad, North Carolina Posts: 6,259	lurker's comment: Is Free Religion not allowed for the player? Also, in the true spirit of Star Trek, the Prime Directive should be violated frequently between 1966 and 1969 in the game. EDIT: BTW, the term is 'Trekker'. Only wannabes call themselves Trekkies. __________________ F* the rest of this s. I want our next President to have managed a guild. -- Tycho, Penny Arcade I get by with a little help from New France I get high with a little help from New France Last edited by ChrTh; Jul 21, 2006 at 09:35 PM.*

Jul 21, 2006, 09:37 PM	#6
GreyFox Make it so ... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Where No One Has Gone Before Posts: 5,551	Right, Free Religion is not allowed. That will implies a dissolution of the Federation! lol @ 1966~9. __________________ = = = [ GreyFox's Civilization Page ] = = = Current SG: PH17: Holy Grail \| PH18: We Hate You'se

Jul 21, 2006, 09:44 PM	#7
ruff_hi Deity Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: an Aussie in New York Posts: 6,375 Images: 2	I'm assuming that the borg naming convention should be turned off? __________________ *HOLIDAYS have come to all* the new HOF mod ... BUFFY has been announced BUFFY name competition finalized - winner announced! BUG Wiki - not perfect, good and getting better! "I found this great mod! Have you heard of it? It gives me everything I need!" - Troy Goodfellow's wife talking about the BUG mod Pigeon faster than broadband

Jul 22, 2006, 05:01 AM	#11
Cosmichail Dark Lord of The Sith Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Korriban Posts: 2,419	That clip is hilarious Scowler. That's the first time I've seen that to be honest. I like that "Trippin the Riff" parody of Star Wars which is pretty funny too. __________________ *"The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master."* "Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit - Whom virtue unites, death will not separate" "There is darkness and light in all of us. It is what life deals us that determines which is chosen" "Those that seek perfection, will only find disappointment" OOP April 28th - May 2nd (moving)

Jul 23, 2006, 08:57 AM	#12
namliaM Deity Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Amsterdam/Netherlands Posts: 3,602	I know the clip and simply must sign up for this one as a trekkie Lets see... Live long and prosper ... Is advocating our Federation (i.e. actively spreading our religion) a violation of the prime directive? It would seem logical that, as we are co-founders, we are allways looking for new members to our charter? __________________ milking...for all I know, that means get as many cows as possible within my boarders... <leprechaun71588> Bulb order techtree \| The Oob's Pittboss rules

Jul 23, 2006, 09:35 AM	#13
GreyFox Make it so ... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Where No One Has Gone Before Posts: 5,551	The problem is we can't negotiate a open borders with those not in the federation. No, its not within the spirit of the prime directive to spread it actively ... the other side but first willingly join the federation. Okay, one sign up. You interested in doing a two-man tag team? Seems we are the only two trekkies around __________________ = = = [ GreyFox's Civilization Page ] = = = Current SG: PH17: Holy Grail \| PH18: We Hate You'se

Jul 23, 2006, 12:03 PM	#14
namliaM Deity Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Amsterdam/Netherlands Posts: 3,602	A tag team SG... It would seem logical that a firm start would possibly spark intrest... __________________ milking...for all I know, that means get as many cows as possible within my boarders... <leprechaun71588> Bulb order techtree \| The Oob's Pittboss rules

Jul 23, 2006, 05:11 PM	#15
pindicator Emperor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Portland, Oregon, USA Posts: 1,418	I've been away from the SG forums for a while, but I'll be happy to join.

Jul 23, 2006, 05:26 PM	#16
GreyFox Make it so ... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Where No One Has Gone Before Posts: 5,551	Yet another trekkie!!! Okay, let's get started. Any thoughts on Civ leader and map type? I am thinking to gobble up the early religions, and found the Federation as soon as possible. So a Mysticism start would be necessary. AN archipelago map type would fit nicely to the star trek theme, each island being a planet -- __________________ = = = [ GreyFox's Civilization Page ] = = = Current SG: PH17: Holy Grail \| PH18: We Hate You'se

Jul 23, 2006, 05:31 PM	#17
Sam_Yeager Another Original Geezer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: England Posts: 2,691	Hmmm. Sounds interesting. I enjoyed watching ST in all it's manifestations. I may not be quite up to the standard for reporting initially but hopefully I'll get the hang of it soon if I'm allowed to join the good ship Fox-04. __________________ Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. Abraham Lincoln

Jul 23, 2006, 05:44 PM	#18
GreyFox Make it so ... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Where No One Has Gone Before Posts: 5,551	great, we are starting to build up a crew. Welcome on board, Sam! Don't worry too much abt reporting, I am sure you can do a good job so long as you enjoy star trek ... and being English, I think you would do marvelously better than myself Enterprise Crew - GreyFox - namliaM - pindicator - Sam Yeager -- __________________ = = = [ GreyFox's Civilization Page ] = = = Current SG: PH17: Holy Grail \| PH18: We Hate You'se

Jul 23, 2006, 05:44 PM	#19
Atlas Titanus Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Antiquity Posts: 727	Not a sign up, but I really like the theme . Perhaps you should enable Permanent Alliances because the AI will eventually go to Free Religion. __________________ Former Firaxis QA tester The only good is knowledge, and the only evil is ignorance. -Herodotus

Jul 23, 2006, 05:50 PM	#20
pindicator Emperor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Portland, Oregon, USA Posts: 1,418	How about Isabella? She starts with Mysticism and with Fishing gets us closer to building (star)ships.

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