We need more female leaders!

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6 new leaders and none are female!! :mad:

Can we add Maria Theresa and Austria? How about Civ III's Theodora and Byzantine? Wilhelmina and the Dutch? Mary, Queen of Scots? Since we have the English, can't there be Scots just so Mary can be in it? :)

Any others?
 
Gilder said:
Two of the leaders of England are female. I think that is enough for England.

I didn't ask for another English female leader. Scots!! :p

Also, why not bring back Cleopatra? I mean the likes of Stalin are in it.
 
sid made less female leaders cause there were less female leaders in history (go figure) but however cleopatra sounds good and well thats the only great female leader tat comes to mind
 
Cleo=not-fully-Egyptianized Greek. She may have ruled Egypt, but she isn't Egyptian. I should know; I am Egyptian.

Joan of Arc=Blech. She never ruled the country or had influence over the government; she just led the armies. Before you yell "Hannibal" on me, Hannibal did have government influence; he was a member of the hereditary oligarchy that governed Carthage. Nobody in that oligarchy could be said to be the leader, but Hannibal, as leader of the army, had disproportionate influence.

Wilhemina=Figurehead. Inspirational figurehead, perhaps, but still a figurehead. Don't yell "Victoria" at me; for one thing, I never really thought Victoria should be in the game, and furthermore she still had some power.

Good female leaders might be:

Indira Gandhi for India. In many ways, she made India what it is by solidifying its commitment to her father's foreign policy. Perhaps not as good a choice as her father, but if you want a woman, that's a good one.

If she were dead, Maggie Thatcher might work; dead people tend to be less controversial than living ones, ne c'est pas? What is it with Britain and women leaders, anyway?

Possibly that Tang-dyansty empress of China; I heard that she was a good ruler, if overshadowed by Taizong...

Hmm...
 
I think that it's a sort of unwritten rule that we don't use living people.
 
there have been more men than women leading countries over the course of time. fact.

therefore there are more male leaders than female ones in civ. end of story
 
Margareth I of Scandinavia (united Scandinavia, the only person who could do that ever)
Joan of Arc of France
Indira Gandhi of India
Hyppolita of Greece
Boadicea of Celtia
Queen Sheba of Arabia
Dido of Carthage
 
SkippyT said:
Margareth I of Scandinavia (united Scandinavia, the only person who could do that ever)
Joan of Arc of France
Indira Gandhi of India
Hyppolita of Greece
Boadicea of Celtia
Queen Sheba of Arabia
Dido of Carthage

Margareth: Agree.

Jean d'Arc: See above.

Hippolyta: 1. Learn to spell. 2. No mythical figures. Don't throw Gilgamesh at me; most accept him as a mythologized historical figure.

Indira: Agree.

Boudica: See this. Otherwise, agree.

Sheba: 1. It's the Queen of Sheba; "Sheba" is not her name but her country. 2. Never led anything more than Yemen. 3. Historicity is questionable. 4. Historical importance derives almost entirely from other nations' conceptions of her, and more specifically her visit to King Solomon; the Hebrews for the reasons given in the Bible, for the Ethiopians because she is thought to be the mother of their first Negus (i.e. king).

Dido: No mythical figures.
 
susan B. Anthony. She did lead one of the biggest movements in the US.
 
LuBu said:
susan B. Anthony. She did lead one of the biggest movements in the US.

All other leaders, male and female, were either de facto in control of the government (e.g. Hannibal), officially in control of the government (e.g. Victoria) or both. Anthony never came close. Unfortuately, there has never been a female American President, and as a consequence it is highly unlikely that there will be a female American leader in Civ for at least twenty to thirty years (we have to wait for a woman President, and then have to wait for her to die), unless she dies either in office or soon after she leaves it.
 
for what its woth, Anthony was in a Civlization game.. kind of.


Call to Power 2 I believe.
 
LuBu said:
for what its woth, Anthony was in a Civlization game.. kind of.


Call to Power 2 I believe.

Doesn't matter. Firaxis has clearly set this new guideline, and it's a good one. Anthony is out.

By the way, I am criticizing these choices of leaders because I find that while they are admirable women, a person who didn't lead his or her country in reality doesn't deserve to lead it in a game. If somebody presented me with RFK for the United States or Lorenzo de' Medici for Italy (assuming an Italy existed in the game), I would reject that, as well.
 
Lockesdonkey said:
Doesn't matter. Firaxis has clearly set this new guideline, and it's a good one. Anthony is out.

By the way, I am criticizing these choices of leaders because I find that while they are admirable women, a person who didn't lead his or her country in reality doesn't deserve to lead it in a game. If somebody presented me with RFK for the United States or Lorenzo de' Medici for Italy (assuming an Italy existed in the game), I would reject that, as well.


I agree about Anthony anyway, just throwing her name out there.
 
How about Olga for Russia?
But Russia has enough Rulers
:edit: opps nvm
I have no ideas
 
Some Asian ones.

Empress Wu Zhao (China)
Manipulative and ruthless. Ruled China directly or indirectly for half a century during the Tang Dynasty. She ruled the empire at its height. No Chinese ruler before or since had ruled a larger area.

Dowager Empress Ci Xi (China)
Qing dynasty. Never a de jure ruler, but yields enormous influence within the Qing court. (not a very good choice since her rule led to the fall of the Qing dynasty)

Empress Suiko (Japan)
33rd Emperor of Japan, first woman. Lived in the 6th century. Reformed administration and made Buddhism official religion.

Sorghaghtani Beki (Mongol)
Mother of Mongke, Kublai and Hulugu Khan. Never ruled de jure, but yield enormous influence within the Mongol court.
 
The Ottoman Empire, in the 16th and 17th Centuries, experienced what historians have dubbed 'the Sultanate of the Women'. In this period the Sultan's mother (or his favourite consort) exerted extraordinary influence over many decisions. Two notable examples are Hürrem Sultan (known in the West as Roxelana), the wife (in a break with tradition) of Suleiman the Magnificent - and Kösem Sultan, Ahmed I's consort who influenced the reigns of her sons (Murad IV, Ibrahim I and her grandson Mehmed IV).

Although neither of these women ruled de jure, they both ruled through links with the Sultan. I'm not sure if this is enough to have them accepted as potential female leaders, but I'd say Roxelana probably is the better contender (unlike Kösem, whose influence was pretty destructive).
 
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