Capitulation

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Does anyone know exactly what circumstances cause an AI to capitulate? I have never seen the option available until they have only two or three remaining cities. How does the AI get other AIs to capitulate so soon? Is there any way to actually declare war on your vassal for not accepting a demand, like the manual says that you can?
 
Not sure how it works. I've had quite large (well, relatively large) civs offer to surrender to me when they've still had a fair few cities left... probably something do with power ratio?
 
I hope to know it too... one time the AI is not willing to be my vassal. On the next turn, he become vassal for another AI with the same number of cities. Even with some five cities, some AIs are ready to be vassals... hmmm
 
I don't know the exact ratio that is needed if at all any. But I have noticed within all the different games I've played as a conquerer, that I use one strategy to make them give me capping.

I take over (or better yet if they are in horrible locations, raze) two to three non-important cities to the civ. Then I take a huge force and pile it out side the capital city. I kill all but one weak unit, and allow one turn to pass. So far, no matter how big the civ (4 cities or 15) on the next turn the civ offers the capping.

I do this, because I want the vassal to still be a useful resource. Once you accept them as a vassal you cannot trade back cities to them. Which I think is stupid. Some cities are nothing more than a distance cost for my ussual empires I build. If the civ has useful cities and you always retain a warlike status, they become a production whore for extra military units.

But back to the AI offerring capping. I ussually cannot get to pull up the diplomacy screen myself and have the option available. It will still say "no, we are doing fine on our own." But on the next turn they will offer it to me.
Large size ones too.

On a certain game (WOTM1) I'm playing right now, and can only talk about upto 500AD, I was able to have the Korians offer me capping and they still had more than 4 cities left. It was like 7, I believe.

And on a past game, Frederick had the largest civ at 20~ something cities. And I only razed 2 useless cities on their tundra coastline. With literally no damage really done to his empire I piled artillery and infantry outside Berlin, Hamburg and Frankfurt (Berlin and Hamburg were on the top 5 cities of the world) knocked all but one unit out in each. And next turn, he offered capping. It was a huge shock to me, I just wanted to see if he would. Big pay off. In that game I could really afford my own empire, let alone his too.

I wonder if anyone really knows what the AI takes into account before it becomes an option.
 
It seems to take mostly everything into account. The size of their military, the size of your military, the proximity of your armies to their cities. The only thing they definately don't seem to pay attention to, is how it'll affect diplomatic relations with other civs.

I've managed to get an AI to capitulate with war weariness alone. He declared war on me, and my empire was strong enough to survive a lot of w/w. He attacked and lost most of his army, then I just refused to make peace, until he was begging with everything he had. A few turns later, he offered to become my vassal.
 
I just had Bismark surrender to me and I took none of his cities at all. He was a attacking the Mali who asked for my help and I sent it a big army of knights and mace against his longbow, horsemen and swords. After killing off 10-15 of his units he surrendered and I'd never even been in his territory other than at sea. First time I've seen that.
 
AncientPlayer said:
I just had Bismark surrender to me and I took none of his cities at all. He was a attacking the Mali who asked for my help and I sent it a big army of knights and mace against his longbow, horsemen and swords. After killing off 10-15 of his units he surrendered and I'd never even been in his territory other than at sea. First time I've seen that.


Bismarck is a good target when you are looking for a vassal. In my last game he was attacked by peter, considering that Bismarck was my neighbour i attacked also him.
He had 10 cities, during war peter conquered one city, after that Bismarck asked me to capitulate.So i took a vassal with 9 cities.
So it is not a question only of military might AI takes also in account if it is in war with other civs.Probably when in war AI can take in account military might of all civs in war together so it is more amenable during negotiations.
Anyway Bismarck seems to me the leader most willing to be a vassal or to capitulate, because in all my games he finishes to be the vassal of anyone
 
marioflag said:
Bismarck is a good target when you are looking for a vassal. In my last game he was attacked by peter, considering that Bismarck was my neighbour i attacked also him.
He had 10 cities, during war peter conquered one city, after that Bismarck asked me to capitulate.So i took a vassal with 9 cities.
So it is not a question only of military might AI takes also in account if it is in war with other civs.Probably when in war AI can take in account military might of all civs in war together so it is more amenable during negotiations.
Anyway Bismarck seems to me the leader most willing to be a vassal or to capitulate, because in all my games he finishes to be the vassal of anyone

Germans, eh? Sounds interesting...
 
i am playing game of stalin right now ^_^ korea is my little buffer from english to the north and luis is my little **ich from the south. i just rolled thru thier terrtory with couple of stacks of maceman and destroyed most of thier empire. before they offered thiere lives to me..i mean vessalaty...
 
I think I saw something in the XML about leaders and their preferences for becoming vassals, but I'd have to double check.
 
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