To invite a missionares to convert my country!

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If you want a certain religion for strategic reasons, you have to wait till it spreads to your country. Shouldn't it be possible (maybe for a certain amount of money) to ask a leader who has that religion to send you a missionares to convert one of your city's? What do you think?
 
Currently, that's when they come and ask you to open your borders.
But if you where to do it like you suggest it, under the current religious setup, you would only have to get the first 3 religions first, to dominate the world with your religion. Which wil most likely be budhism.
 
Pitboss said:
....... you would only have to get the first 3 religions first, ......
????

I'm playing on continents, the other continent is completely islamic, my continent hasn't it. I would like to convert as soon as possible to islam and don't want to wait, so i want to take the initiarief myself, buy somewhere an islamic missionares (they should be glad with my initiatief), etc.
 
Doesn't matter, it's just the idea that i sometimes don't want to wait till a religion spreads to my country. With continents, you will have to wait till you have Astronomy, of course. but then you should be able to get that religion to your country yourself and not just waiting......
 
"do you want to send me an ....(islamic) missionares," maybe for a certain amount of money;

Why can't i convert to Islam when eg. i have researched Divine Right and i know the city where it's founded? Why wait till 1% of my people believe's in it?
 
Um.. is it just me or they just come anyway? If you're not a theocracy they will come, just wait.
 
I've always thought you should be able to negociate a trade involving units. You'd set up the trade, and once the units are all in your territory and gifted to you, the rest of the deal (eg a lump sum of gold or a tech or something similar) goes through. With this system, you could simply ask for missionaries (anything they can produce could be requested) and use them to convert your people. Alas, that is not how it works right now.
 
Honestly, we should allow invitation of missionaries just for reasons of realism: there really have been instances where one country has said "Hey, you! You with the cool religion! Send missionaries!" That's how Buddhism spread to China, at least according to legend; the Emperor had "a vision of a golden Buddha" and sent messengers to India looking for Buddhist missionaries.
 
The idea is probably sound, but getting the AI to understand it would be extremely difficult. Humans in MPought to be open to the idea, though :)
 
Maybe, just an idea, when you have researched the appropriate tech and you know the civ which did found the religion, you could buy the right to build a monastery in your capital.
 
I've always thought you should be able to negociate a trade involving units. You'd set up the trade, and once the units are all in your territory and gifted to you, the rest of the deal (eg a lump sum of gold or a tech or something similar) goes through. With this system, you could simply ask for missionaries (anything they can produce could be requested) and use them to convert your people. Alas, that is not how it works right now.

I hadn't considered this idea, but it makes perfect sense that it be included in the game, whether the units be missonaries or tanks. If someone has researched the religion, they should be able to buy or trade for missionaries. If someone has the techs to make tanks, they should be able to buy or trade for them. This opens up, particularly for military units, a huge door of arms trading. Let those two other civs go to war and profit by selling both of them arms! I live in a nation which has thrived on selling weapons and munitions to waring countries. But beware, like the US, those same arms you sold them might end up being turned against you later! It could also be dangerous because both AI civs would demand that you stop selling weapons to their enemy and it could draw you into their war eventually. But again, this has happened as well historically.
 
Bast said:
Um.. is it just me or they just come anyway? If you're not a theocracy they will come, just wait.

There have been times when Isabella (as usual) hated me because I didn't share her religion and I wouldn't have minded if I could switch to hers, not having founded one myself, but she refused to sign open borders agreements with infidels, so she couldn't send missionaries to me. So I approve of a diplomatic option: "Please, noble Isabella, let us agree on open borders so you can send your missionaries to my benighted cities". Of course, one should then be under an obligation not to cancel the open borders agreement until, say, three of one's cities had been converted to Buddh... converted to whatever religion Isabella has in that aprticular game. I like the idea.
 
Öjevind Lång said:
[......] So I approve of a diplomatic option: "Please, noble Isabella, let us agree on open borders so you can send your missionaries to my benighted cities". Of course, one should then be under an obligation not to cancel the open borders agreement until, say, three of one's cities had been converted to Buddh... converted to whatever religion Isabella has in that aprticular game. I like the idea.

You mean the possibility of a one-sided (half) open borders agreement: the other may enter your land (only missionares), you not their land. Interesting, would the AI have arguments not to sign such an agreement?
 
Sounds pretty good to me :)
It would be great to be able to open your borders for that, without having to go through the "yes you make walk our soil" pact.
Yet another great diplomatic addition.

Asperger said:
would the AI have arguments not to sign such an agreement?
Unless he doesn't want to acquire other religions (theocracy), or he doesn't want to spread the ones he has (free religion).
I would make the agreement work in both ways, because ... why wouldn't you ... ?
 
Asperger said:
You mean the possibility of a one-sided (half) open borders agreement: the other may enter your land (only missionares), you not their land. Interesting, would the AI have arguments not to sign such an agreement?

I'm sure Isabella would agree to such an arrangement.;) Yes, that was roughly my idea. In fact, who would reject an offer like that? Such an invitation, if accepted, should affect your attitude score with that civ as well.

Here's an amusing story, by the way. The other day, I played a game where Isabella decided to exterminate me because I (Elizabeth) was the evil founder of Hinduism, which had been accepted as the official state religion by almost all the other civs, whereas she was a Buddhist. (Those who were not Hinduists were Confucians.) Her soldiers kept attacking my walled cities, which were garrisoned with axemen (later upgraded to macemen), spearmen (later upgraded to pikemen) and archers (later upgraded to bowmen); my garrison units became absolutely deadly after twenty failed attacks or so. I also had a few chariots, and later on a mounted archer or two, for fending off attempts to move further into my territory than the two border cities. And yet, the little lunatic kept attacking my cities, when she didn't send out expeditions that tried to pillage my improvements. My sentry units became quite experienced too... However, my lands around those two cities were somewhat underdeveloped, as you may imagine, Still, I had lots of gems and gold and sugar which I traded with other civs for other luxuries, so my population never got tired of war. (The whip helped too, of course.) She did not advance far enough up the tech tree to build catapults or macemen, but I was unable to churn out more troops than I needed to save my cities and keep her from pillaging my land. She had lots of cities that kept producing more swordsmen and chariots and swordsmen and swordsmen and swordsmen and an occasional axeman. I got Great Generals and used them to build a war academy and install a military specialist in one city, and after having built some units using them I started to build the Heroic Epic - I should probably have postponed that. If I had had iron and been able to build swordsmen, she would have been dead meat before her numbers started to tell; but I was boxed in (playing at a fractal map), so I had no iron and never had more than four cities, all of which were kept busy producing military units. Frustratingly, her iron mine was just a couple of tiles from our common border. (I could not even spare the units needed to capture and pillage it.) The only Wonder I managed to build was Stonehenge, and that was before Isabella decided to exterminate me. That meant that a culture bomb (so the her iron moved to my side of the border) was impossible; all I got was prophets. (Build a theatre? You must be kidding. Build... more... units...)

When we started fighting, I was number one in score and she was somewhere down the middle; after thousands of years of incessant warfare, we took turns being at the absolute bottom in scoring. I had to keep fighting because I needed that iron desperately. I also needed to expand, of course. Nobody else wanted to join a war against Isabella, who was militarily strong and had many cities. They would very likely have joined in against me if we had not shared the same religion. I could probably have sued for peace, but what then? Still boxed in with four cities and way behind in research. By the 14th century, I had discovered Guilds and could have built knights to roll over her with, joined together with my catapults, pikemen and macemen - if I had only had iron... As it was, I could keep her at bay but could never have made it to her border city against her her superior numbers.

I believe I would have managed to capture that city (her border city with the iron) from her in the end, but at this stage I was so far behind the other civs that it wasn't worthwhile to keep playing. It was an entertaining game, though. An interesting thought: even though nobody wanted to join me in a war against Isabella, they must have refused to trade technologies with her since her units were so outdated. The other civs were all happy to trade technologies with me, though.
 
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