Challenge #7: Wonder Woman

Here we go, guys.

Feynman said:

I wonder why, I wonder why, I wonder why I wonder.
I wonder why I wonder why I wonder why I wonder.

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Welcome... to Wonder Woman!

In this challenge, we strive to be not the greatest, or the latest, or the most, but the fastest. The fastest... to own the greatest buildings this world will ever know: The World Wonders. And we need lots of them. Twelve, to be precise. Yes, we know that's far more than our fair share, but whoever said we weren't greedy? Here are our settings:

Prince Difficulty
Large Lakes Map
Normal Speed
Temperate, High Sea Level
8 opponents (normal for the size)
No other abnormal settings

We are Hatshepsut of the Egyptians. Spiritual/Creative, starting with The Wheel and Agriculture. Unique unit is the War Chariot, replacing the Chariot, with one more strength.

A few small bits of information about the map, to disadvantage those who can make only a single attempt less: There is Stone a short way to the south, and salt water a few tiles west, for those who want to build the coastal wonders. Moving 1 tile SW before settling may well reap dividends.

The winner will be the player who posts the earliest save with 12 World Wonders under their control. Note that for these purposes Shrines do not count as World Wonders. Ties will be broken in favour of the player whose wonders have the greatest total hammer value, and in favour of first posting if that's also tied. Unlike in HoF or GotM games, you may restart from the beginning and replay this game as many times as you like. You may not, however, restart from later saves. You're welcome to post whatever you like in this thread, but please use spoiler tags to hide any information not freely available at the start of the game.

The closing date of this challenge is Sunday 5th November, at midnight. Though you are welcome to continue playing and posting after that, the scores will not be counted if you do so. The starting save is attached below.

Good luck,
Garath, First Citizen

High Score List (6:45pm, Monday 30 Oct)
1=. uberfish, 800AD
1=. ShannonCT, 800AD
3. Garath, 840AD
4. Urederra, 1070AD
5. Shoot The Moon, 1200AD
6. Cabledawg, 1450AD

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Wonder Woman, eh? I think I'll change the in-game details when I'll play. At least the name.

Anyway, thanks for doing this, Garath, and good luck to everyone!

I'll try this one.
Let's find where the horses are...

And we're off!

Congrats again Garath on winning Ironman,and thanks for putting this together.

Did you remove all the goody huts?


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So I wonder who is going to be the first to post a save that accidentally includes a National Wonder as one of their 12 World Wonders? HeHe. National Wonders are inferior 2nd class citizens and will be rejected by Hatty the Wonder Woman.

Good luck all.



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Oh, goody huts. Blast, I knew I would forget something. How do I do that, anyway? Either I can go and do that and repost the save (or indeed anybody else can, I guess), or we can just roll with it. I doubt it makes *that* much difference.

Garath

The only way to do it in vanilla Civ is to go in the WorldBuilder and remove them manually. There's an option for it in Warlords, maybe they'll add it to a future vanilla patch.

That said, the file has been downloaded 8 times and some people have already started to play. I don't think it makes that much difference either so I'd let them in this time.

No probs. I think roll with the save we've got as some people might have started. I don't think it will make that much difference here, and we all like getting presents.

On small challenges I think it's a very good idea to remove them. Although I can't see where that option is on World-builder. Probably just right-click them in map mode or something.



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Edited: You took the words right out of my mouth, Mr. Corey.

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Hello. First time I write on this forum and also first time I write in English on a forum, so please be kind and don't treat me to bad for the errors I may make.

I've read some of the older topics about these challenges and thought I should give it a try, even if I still lack a single win on Monarch or above. Unfortunately I ended my last try after around 3000 years because I missed the Oracle and the Parthenon (hopefully this is the correct name, as I have only the German version of the game) and only managed to get the Pyramids and Stonehenge.

But I will give it another try after I thought some more time about what the fastest way to get the needed wonders may be.

Anyway, thank you for these interesting challenges.

Serdoa said:

Hello. First time I write on this forum and also first time I write in English on a forum, so please be kind and don't treat me to bad for the errors I may make.

But I will give it another try after I thought some more time about what the fastest way to get the needed wonders may be.

Anyway, thank you for these interesting challenges.

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welcome to the forums

Welcome to the forums Serdoa. (Does Serdoa mean anything or is it just a name?)



My advice is don't worry too much about getting a large number of early wonders. I'm targeting specific (useful) early wonders but focusing on building a strong base to my civ. The road to 12 Wonders is a long one. So plan ahead.

Good luck.


P.S. Your english is better than my german.


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Is this challenge for Warlords or vanilla? If warlords, then I'll run for Great Wall=no barbs.

It's Vanilla Civ, I'm afraid. Not all of us have Warlords yet, and we want to be as inclusive as possible.

As for strategies, I have yet to start my own game, but I imagine it's going to take a while. At least before the early results are posted and we know what the dates to beat are, I wouldn't be restarting for missing just a couple of wonders.

Garath, First Citizen of the Wonder-ful Republic

@cabert Thanks. btw: I think happiness and healthiness won't be a problem in my cities any longer

@Raiser Thanks for the advice I think I will give it another try tomorrow as soon as I come home. I also thought about starting to build a strong civ first (and knowing now where to find marble will definitely help in the next try) but losing the Oracle with 4 Turns left only because I build a settler inbetween which didn't help me at this point in time really frustrated me. Especially because I've seen it coming since I started the settler and nonetheless I didn't bother whipping the settler nor the oracle (which maybe would have been possible when I would have had whipped the settler) nor did I lumber the last wood near the city but instead mined a unused hill

Regarding your question: Serdoa is only a name I started to use back in the days when I played Dark Age of Camelot. After that I started to use it for most of my internet writings.

1450AD...I really think someone will beat this though. There were alot of things i could have done differently. i captured my 12th wonder on the last turn and could have done it 5 turns sooner.
I dont think the wonders you build need to be in a spoiler tag, so heres the ones I owned at the end.
1....Stonehenge
2....Pyramids
3....Parthenon
4....Great Lighthouse
5....Collosus
6....Hanging Gardens
7....Great Library
8....Sistine Chapel
9....Angkor Wat
10..Taj Majal
11..Spiral Mineret
12..Chichen itza

Congrats Cabledawg for setting the first date to beat. Gotta say, that stack looks like a *bit* more overkill than strictly necessary for the job

When there are a couple more scores, I'll edit a high score table into the first post.

Garath, First Citizen

I could have shaved 5 turns off the end by attacking sooner. And i could have shaved 10 other turns from other goofy moves. i think that <1300AD is possible if i wanted to try again.....which i really dont.

Hello all. This was my first challenge. I finished my 12th wonder in 960AD. I decided to stay small and stick with two cities. The limiting factor was mostly the rate that I could get the necessary techs rather than the rate that I could build the wonders. I never had to fight an AI and barbs were barely an issue. I stuck with a pure specialist economy. I might try again with more cottages and/or more cities to see if I can tech faster.

The Wonder list:

Stonehenge
Pyramids
Oracle
Parthenon
Great Lighthouse
Colosus
Chichen Itza
Great Library
Hanging Gardens
Spiral Minaret
Notre Dame
Sistine Chapel

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Nicely done, ShannonCT! That looks like a very good date, though it's early days yet. You say you self-built all the wonders? I hope I wasn't right to worry about Prince being too low...

Garath, First Citizen

Garath said:

Nicely done, ShannonCT! That looks like a very good date, though it's early days yet. You say you self-built all the wonders? I hope I wasn't right to worry about Prince being too low...

Garath, First Citizen

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This was actually my second try. First time, I started with Stonehenge and Pyramids in my two cities. One of the AI beat me to Oracle by a couple turns. This was a big loss, so I started over and built Stonehenge and Pyramids again as before, then chopped and whipped more agressively to be the first to Oracle. I took Metal Casting with the Oracle and built a forge in my Pyramid city. I ended up getting three Great Engineers from this city. After the first few wonders, the AI had no chance, given my big tech lead. They should have attacked my beautiful cities defended by warriors.

800 AD (the log shows it as 780 AD for some reason), 3 cities, built all wonders myself. My twelve:

1: Stonehenge
2: Pyramids
3: Oracle (found Confucianism)
4: Great Lighthouse
5: Parthenon
6: Great Library
7: Gardens
8: Chicken
9: Colossus
10: Sistine Chapel
11: Notre Dame
12: Angkor Wat

Cottages are not very useful, I built one. It was suboptimal. There is some luck involved in what type of GPs you get.