Do the boards seem quieter?

I've been gone for a while and now when I look around the boards they seem quieter. There seem to be less new ideas, less contentious discussions, and a lot of the people I saw before seem to be gone. Does anyone else feel this way?

It's a "quiet riot"

iamdanthemansta said:

I've been gone for a while and now when I look around the boards they seem quieter. There seem to be less new ideas, less contentious discussions, and a lot of the people I saw before seem to be gone. Does anyone else feel this way?

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wrong forum i think

I think the rush from the intial civ 4 realease has died down. Even the warlords rush has died too

*calls SwedishGuy*

Maybe some people have moved on to play Gal Civ 2 or Medieval 2: Total War.

iamdanthemansta said:

I've been gone for a while and now when I look around the boards they seem quieter. There seem to be less new ideas, less contentious discussions, and a lot of the people I saw before seem to be gone. Does anyone else feel this way?

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Civ 4 forums: yes, it seems so.
Civ 3 forums: Not so many losses in posters.

And it seems, that more and more civers return from Civ 4 to Civ 3 and there is a reason why...

Civinator said:

Civ 4 forums: yes, it seems so.
Civ 3 forums: Not so many losses in posters.

And it seems, that more and more civers return from Civ 4 to Civ 3 and there is a reason why...

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And you know this how?.. Even though I loved CivIII, I can never get used to its gameplay again. I don't see how you can just assume everyone prefers CivIII over CivIV.

thenooblet22 said:

And you know this how?.. Even though I loved CivIII, I can never get used to its gameplay again. I don't see how you can just assume everyone prefers CivIII over CivIV.

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Actually it was simple. the viewer ratings are posted all the time. Like say rioght now for example! CIv3 is clobbering Civ4 See for yourself! the Non believers can compare the topics in order from both forums to see if I risked lying to prove my point(thats not a Civ3'ers style!)


Civ4


Civ3


Hey at least your Tech support is in the lead! lol
Someone , noticed Civ3 was leading in C+C forums one night. After a while it become more common. Finnaly it was happening evey day! Theres a thread trcking this for a few months. Gen disscussion in Civ3 has been covered.(nebies only) The pulse is taken at C+C forums. If you look there are some amazing projects taking place over there.

Modding is pulling them back. Its actually a combination of people getting sick of CIv4 and the fact Civ3's going up a level, and being refined to craxy levels. drawing the weakening resolve of CIv4 players who left CIv3 for the newest thing (NOw CIv3's mods that look like they were released by Fireaxis in its prime are the 'newest thing'
By the time Civ5 comes out, Many players will have ridden out the entire period of CIv4 with a newly minted Civ3 much fatter and juicier yet faster and smooter then when conquests was finished being patched. Of course Im only talkin about ten or so Mods of the 300 made over a lenghy span Still, Those have reached 3.5 status and Thats enough for me to stay away from Civ4. IM not alone


A major portain of Civ3 prefered players, rushed in and bought CIv4 leaving 3 for a long while. They all stayed away from Warlords, and now from CIv4 alltogher. Civ3 got em back for now.

Why? cause the whole time they played Civ4 they were learning CIv3 kept getting better. they choose to go back to the better gameboard with improved rules/graphics and Content from the original. Fireaxis lost all those sales from amazing Civ3 modders. What a pity.

I'm not sure that's it since many of the people who I got used to seeing on the Civ4 forms are gone and I don't see them on the Civ3 forms. I think it's interesting though that other people have noticed a similar thing.

iamdanthemansta said:

I've been gone for a while and now when I look around the boards they seem quieter. There seem to be less new ideas, less contentious discussions, and a lot of the people I saw before seem to be gone. Does anyone else feel this way?

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Totally agree, my perception is also that there has been quite a large drop off in activity.

T.A JONES said:

CIv3 is clobbering Civ4

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Hey, no axe to grind here and I apologise for my detail obsessed personality (I can't stop micromanaging ) but I think 'clobbering' is a little much. On the screens you captured the totals of the viewing figures are civ3-165 and civ4-162, I'd call that pretty close to a tie especially since the civ4 screen has one less forum visible .
I also went to the main screen and totalled up all the related forums a few moments ago and those that are off the bottom of your screenshots turned the picture around (at that moment) to Civ3-160 Civ4-204.
I'd say Civ3 is maintaining its base extremely well but Civ4 is certainly a worthy challenger.

T.A JONES said:

Modding is pulling them back. Its actually a combination of people getting sick of CIv4 and the fact Civ3's going up a level, and being refined to craxy levels. drawing the weakening resolve of CIv4 players who left CIv3 for the newest thing (NOw CIv3's mods that look like they were released by Fireaxis in its prime are the 'newest thing'
By the time Civ5 comes out, Many players will have ridden out the entire period of CIv4 with a newly minted Civ3 much fatter and juicier yet faster and smooter then when conquests was finished being patched. Of course Im only talkin about ten or so Mods of the 300 made over a lenghy span Still, Those have reached 3.5 status and Thats enough for me to stay away from Civ4. IM not alone


A major portain of Civ3 prefered players, rushed in and bought CIv4 leaving 3 for a long while. They all stayed away from Warlords, and now from CIv4 alltogher. Civ3 got em back for now.

Why? cause the whole time they played Civ4 they were learning CIv3 kept getting better. they choose to go back to the better gameboard with improved rules/graphics and Content from the original. Fireaxis lost all those sales from amazing Civ3 modders. What a pity.

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Shame Civ III is so rubbish really though! All the mods in the world won't change that, whereas in Civ IV you can in fact mod pretty much everything. Given that Civ III has been out for years and years now, the comparison is a little silly - wait another 5 years and see where Civ IV mods are.

mjs0 said:

Totally agree, my perception is also that there has been quite a large drop off in activity.

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Maybe that's because everyone's too busy enjoying the game to bother posting on forums

CivDude86 said:

*calls SwedishGuy*

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Don't even think about that!

thenooblet22 said:

And you know this how?.. Even though I loved CivIII, I can never get used to its gameplay again. I don't see how you can just assume everyone prefers CivIII over CivIV.

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Civinator said:

Civ 4 forums: yes, it seems so. Civ 3 forums: Not so many losses in posters. And it seems, that more and more civers return from Civ 4 to Civ 3 and there is a reason why....

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Hi thenooblet22,

first: I´m not on a Civ3/Civ 4 crusade. But before I try to answer your question, there is one thing to clear out and therefore I needed my post that you quoted: I never did say, that I assume that everyone prefers Civ 3 over Civ 4 and I would never do so. So it would be nice to stay correct with my post. I posted "it seems, that more and more civers return from Civ 4 to Civ 3and there is a reason why...". I think this is completely different to the statement you made when quoting me.

And now I try to answer your legitim question "And you know this how?":

The last of the great modders, who announced that he comes back to Civ 3 was Pounder some days ago. “Yeah. I'm back from the dead” … so were his words. You can read it here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=4790438#post4790438 (post 3). Look in his public profile and you know that he tried Civ IV before.

Before him, R8XFT announced, that he comes back to Civ 3. In his last post of his thread “Anno domini for Civ 4” he said, that this thread is dead and that he finds it more enjoyable to do Civ 3 modding. You can read it here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=178097&page=11 (post 210). Now look how many posts and ideas he caused, since he is back at Civ 3. The same will happen with Pounder again.

I underlined some words in the posts of these prominent modders, that I don´t want to comment here.

The observations of amdanthemansta who started this thread, are true in my eyes. In the civ 3 forums this was noticed since a longer time and there is a own thread about that phenomenon: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=179549 (17 pages long, but not all posts are connected to that theme). The astonishing fact is not so much that there are at least times where the Civ 3 forums are more active than the Civ 4 forums, but that the much older Civ 3 forum has still so much activity in comparison to the Civ 4 forums. Normally the much older game shouldn´t have any chance. This indicates, that with Civ 4 something went completely wrong.

I remeber when Civ4 came out the first page of GD had a post life of 30 minutes. Now its 3 days... I think it has a lot to with the splitting off of Warlord plus the usual poster leak that time causes.

mjs0 said:

Totally agree, my perception is also that there has been quite a large drop off in activity.

Hey, no axe to grind here and I apologise for my detail obsessed personality (I can't stop micromanaging ) but I think 'clobbering' is a little much. On the screens you captured the totals of the viewing figures are civ3-165 and civ4-162, I'd call that pretty close to a tie especially since the civ4 screen has one less forum visible .

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Oh , sorry ya I guess the lauging thing is to much, actually that was left over from someting I thought was funny but erased!

Anyway I was comparing the modding numbers!
84-50 for CIv3! Don you think thats weird? at the time I anwered the Guys question"WHeres the proof" Civ4 was getting Clobbered. Think, Its the newest thing. Its the "most modable" Why is a game tha came out 6 years ago ,Taking over in popularity?. I'll tell you why, and it was only so long that It could be hidden, by cliks and paid posters and Test crew. Civ4 is Flawed to the point of ill-supiorority when compared to a CIv3 thats been ironed out.

All those other categorys you added up, Im even surprised CIv3 was close. Why not consider regular topics(Gen Dis) in CIv3 and how theyve been talked to death compared to relitive new areas of dosscussions that persist in Civ4.like "whens the next patches", and "whens the next expansion"? or general topics many like to read are always in the latest chapters forum. example" "Welcome new players" "How old are you"--that last one was started by a Civ3 player then it was taken out and moved to CIv4, to prove my point.

You can't compare anything but interest in making the game better(C+C) For that shows what standard People use when they custimize there prefences(play mods that have previous mistakes eresed)

I believe the Gameboard(mechanics) for CIv4 are so bad it doesn't matter that a few with great understanding of the complicitys of CIv4 modding are doing wonders adding other elements to CIV4(smarter AI corrections to diplo, trade, etc

@T.A JONES

You may be right, only time will tell...I admire and respect your passion for sure!

To me It really doesn't seem that there is a clear leader in the C+C comparison (In a few random samples I have seen wild swings in the Civ4:Civ3 C+C numbers from 132:67 to 61:92 and many points in between) It will take some time for the numbers to settle down and for a clear picture to emerge. Anyway I don't want to keep quoting statistics as they can be used to prove anything especially when they are just snapshots and the environment is too dynamic for controls etc. I just felt it was a little early to declare Civ4 DOA based on the few data points available!

My impression is that when Civ3 came out there was really little opposition as far as modding went since Civ3 was clearly an improvement over Civ2 (with the exception of the event files, why did they drop those?) but even so it took time for the Civ3 community to surpass that of Civ2.
Now when Civ4 came out there was a very strong and vibrant community around an existing product and so it had to compete for modders...and of course people are always more comfortable with what they know! The Civ3 community took years to get to where it is now, we should probably give Civ4 2-3 years at least before we try to draw any conclusions.

My own experience as a developer is an interesting analogy here; I tried Java (the new wave) and could develop using it just fine but for some reason I just prefer coding in C++ (the established leader) and would always choose that if given the option. However new blood seems to prefer Java, go figure!

I do happen to disagree with you on the game mechanics and having studied the SDK in depth I believe there is very very little that could not be changed if desired. It's simple, I choose to play Civ4 because I prefer the base game mechanics and to mod Civ4 because I am familiar with the technologies involved. Not that it doesn't have plenty of warts, for example I really dislike the Civ4 WorldBuilder and wish it were a standalone tool!

Still, I suspect there is plenty of room for both products to coexist for some time to come and a lot will depend of course on the direction Firaxis takes Civ4 in future expansions.

( By the way which do you prefer, classic Trek or Next Generation? 80's BSG or Moore's 2004 reboot? Paper or plastic? Connery or Moore? Civ3 or Civ4? Don't answer these, at least not here, I was just drawing some more analogies. Most of these come down to individual preferences. Personally I have favourites of course but I can enjoy each in their own context, there are others who insist on taking sides vehemently which is great because I enjoy watching/listening to the debates as there is always something to learn from each side of the argument.)

Right now, 272 people on the CIV4 forums, 146 on the CIV3 forums...

Nah quiter probably because its not new anymore hehe.

4 words: Medieval 2: Total War.