Muslims want to worship in Cordoba Cathedral.

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The Islamic leadership in Spain has sent a letter to the Vatican asking to be allowed to worship in Cordoba Cathedral.
Muslims ask to worship at Cordoba

More than a million of Spain's 44 million
inhabitants are Muslims

Spanish Muslims have written to the Vatican to demand the right to worship at Cordoba Cathedral.

Spain's Islamic Board wrote to Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday, calling on him to grant them permission to worship in the cathedral, parts of which were built as a mosque during Spain's period of Islamic rule.

The group said in their letter: "What we wanted was not to take over that holy place, but to create in it, together with you and other faiths, an ecumenical space unique in the world which would have been of great significance in bringing peace to humanity."

They said that senior Spanish Catholic clergy had earlier rejected requests for Muslims to be allowed to prostrate themselves inside the Cathedral.

Mansur Escudero, the board's secretary general, said security guards often stop Muslim worshipers from praying at the old mosque.

He said: "There are reactionary elements within the Catholic Church, and when they hear about the construction of a mosque, or Muslim teachings in state schools, or about veils, they see it as a sign we are growing and they oppose it."

Mansur said Muslims came from around the world to see Cordoba's Cathedral, which is still commonly known as the Cathedral-Mosque.

Complex history

The Roman Catholic cathedral had originally been a mosque but was converted into a cathedral in the 13th century.

The mosque itself was built on the site of the earlier cathedral of St Vincent which was demolished by Cordoba's Muslim rulers following the Islamic invasion and occupation of parts of southern Spain in the eight century.

In December, Spain's Catholic Bishops Conference released a statement, quoted by newspaper ABC, saying it "did not recommend" Muslims prayed at the Cathedral and was not prepared to negotiate the building's shared use with other faiths.

Spain's last Muslim territory fell with the conquest of Granada in 1492 after almost eight centuries of Muslim rule.

Today, more than a million of Spain's 44 million people are Muslims, many of them recently arrived immigrants from North Africa.
I'm actually for this. It would be a good place to start some reconciliation and hopefully show that these religions can co exist.

Although I am not quite sure I like that they are demanding.

What do you think?
 
Will Jews be allowed to worship in their old temples in North Africa and the Middle East?

Didn't think so.
 
Arent you suppost to be a Christian, Catholic, or an inquirer (Someone who is interested in converting) to worship in a Catholic Christian church?
 
Perfectly fine to send a cordial note. Don't see any reason why however, I'm sure there are plenty of mosques available.
 
When will the Christians get to worship in the Hagia Sofia again?
 
Arent you suppost to be a Christian, Catholic, or an inquirer (Someone who is interested in converting) to worship in a Christian church, especialy if its a Catholic one?

Cordoba was once a mosque and I believe that there is still room where the mosque once was.
Originally Posted by rmsharpe
Will Jews be allowed to worship in their old temples in North Africa and the Middle East?

Didn't think so.
Interesting point you bring up there. If you don't want to view it as good will, then view it as us having leverage over them. To be able to say that we actually allowed them to worship there.

This is what I hope will be the first step. And if it does lead to a better state of relations between the two religions then I would be proud that we took this first step. Even if nothing does happen then we still have sown once more that we are trying to live peacefully with them.
 
Will Jews be allowed to worship in their old temples in North Africa and the Middle East?

Didn't think so.

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I think this is a good idea, why not let them worship there? It would be gesture of goodwill
 
No reason not to.
 
Perfectly fine to send a cordial note. Don't see any reason why however, I'm sure there are plenty of mosques available.

It is of great spiritual importance, having been the center of Spanish and North African Muslim spirituality for centuries before the Reconquista. Plus, the building itself is beautiful.

rmsharpe, more equivalent is Muslims allowing Christians to worship at Hagia Sophia (another crown jewel of one religion now held by another, though Hagia Sophia is officially a museum rather than a mosque or church these days).
 
Why do they want to worship in it? I mean really, not the red herring they provided.:rolleyes:

I don't think fundamentalist Muslims believe in sharing places of worship and for them it would be a move to reclaim this former mosque as their own. I think this really belies their red herring claim.


EDIT: On perhaps a related note, the Pope wasn't allowed to pray at a former Christian (now secular) site in Turkey.
 
Why do they want to worship in it? I mean really, not the red herring they provided.:rolleyes:

Cordoba was the site of an important area for muslims, as it was already explained.
I don't think fundamentalist Muslims believe in sharing places of worship and for them it would be a move to reclaim this former mosque as their own. I think this really belies their red herring claim.
So you are automatically labeling these people as fundementalists? How could you possibly know that?
 
I still yet to hear from thier point of view on why they need to worship in a Christian Church/Catherdral. I am not too comfortable of having a multi-religious worship center.
 
I still yet to hear from thier point of view on why they need to worship in a Christian Church/Catherdral. I am not too comfortable of having a multi-religious worship center.

It was not originally a church, it was a mosque. The site has immense historical and spiritual significance to Muslims, particularly to those whose ancestors followed the Umayyad Caliphs to Cordoba. (It's sort of like a seat of Patriarch in Christianity.)
 
Unless the Muslims somehow disrupt Christian worship by worshipping at the Cathedral, I don't see any problem. Apparently this Cathedral has historic value to them because it was once a mosque? Or did I misunderstand? It's reasonable, and it sets a good example for the future. I don't see the Christians losing anything from this gesture; they will preceive a loss of face, but IMO they lose nothing and will gain face.
 
Trajan it was the mention of Muslims trying to prostrate themselves "Mansur Escudero, the board's secretary general, said security guards often stop Muslim worshipers from praying at the old mosque" which made me (rightly or wrongly) think of fundamentalists.

I personally would rather the whole building be either an Islamic place of worship or a Christian place of worship - no compromise between.
 
Unless the Muslims somehow disrupt Christian worship by worshipping at the Cathedral, I don't see any problem. Apparently this Cathedral has historic value to them because it was once a mosque? Or did I misunderstand? It's reasonable, and it sets a good example for the future. I don't see the Christians losing anything from this gesture; they will preceive a loss of face, but IMO they lose nothing and will gain face.

Yes, the Cordoba Cathedral was the greatest mosque of Muslim Spain. Along with the Alhambra Palace, it was the crowning glory of the Caliphate of Cordoba. (As I said before, the best parallel would be Hagia Sophia, except that Hagia Sophia is no longer a religious site at all.)

More on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezquita
 
I still yet to hear from thier point of view on why they need to worship in a Christian Church/Catherdral. I am not too comfortable of having a multi-religious worship center.

I'm not saying we should make this some sort of policy that we do with all places of worship. Just that since this is so controversil an area, I see no reason why the mosque should not be restored so long as it does not interfere with the Cathedral.
 
I see no reason why the mosque should not be restored so long as it does not interfere with the Cathedral.
I would agree, but my main consern is how would this not interfear with the Cathedral and the Bishop of that area (The Cathedral is a place is the place where the Bishop's seat/Cathedra is at) as well as the Christian worshipers.
 
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