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Little Raven

Little Raven

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Not the President.
President Bush has quietly claimed sweeping new powers to open Americans' mail without a judge's warrant, the Daily News has learned.

The President asserted his new authority when he signed a postal reform bill into law on Dec. 20. Bush then issued a "signing statement" that declared his right to open people's mail under emergency conditions.

That claim is contrary to existing law and contradicted the bill he had just signed, say experts who have reviewed it.

Bush's move came during the winter congressional recess and a year after his secret domestic electronic eavesdropping program was first revealed. It caught Capitol Hill by surprise.
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Just in case there's anyone still out there who's sense of outrage hasn't completely burned out by now.
 
What emergency conditions will actually happen that we would need to open the average persons mail. :rolleyes:
 
Don't worry - the right wing will line up to defend this somehow... probably using terrorism based fear mongering.
 
I'm not clear on something and if someone would please indulge me. I'm probably missing something but why is it scary for the president to know about the contents of your mail? It's not like you're conspiring to stage a revolution. I would figure if you're not a criminal or a revolutionary, a box of embarassing knick-knacks would be the worse case.
 
leonel said:
I'm not clear on something and if someone would please indulge me. I'm probably missing something but why is it scary for the president to know about the contents of your mail? It's not like you're conspiring to stage a revolution. I would figure if you're not a criminal or a revolutionary, a box of embarassing knick-knacks would be the worse case.
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You have a point. However, there is not point in giving up privacy, no matter how trivial, unless there is a clear benefit. How will it benefit to let people read our mail?
 


If you've done nothing wrong,
You have nothing to fear.
If you've something to hide
You shouldn't even be here...
 
leonel said:
I'm not clear on something and if someone would please indulge me. I'm probably missing something but why is it scary for the president to know about the contents of your mail? It's not like you're conspiring to stage a revolution. I would figure if you're not a criminal or a revolutionary, a box of embarassing knick-knacks would be the worse case.
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Because if the President is doing it without a warrant, he is violating the 4th Amendment of the United States Constitution. A President that has that much disregard for our foundational legal document is scary.
 
He had this power thru FISA allready. All he had to do was tell a FISA court with in 48 hours. I don't understand what this was for.
 
Little Raven said:
Just in case there's anyone still out there who's sense of outrage hasn't completely burned out by now.
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Sorry, I'm totally burned out. This is just so par-for-the-course for this President, I can't even raise an eyebrow anymore. :coffee:

What a pathetic legacy he leaves . . .
and the sooner he leaves it, the better!
 
leonel said:
I'm not clear on something and if someone would please indulge me. I'm probably missing something but why is it scary for the president to know about the contents of your mail? It's not like you're conspiring to stage a revolution. I would figure if you're not a criminal or a revolutionary, a box of embarassing knick-knacks would be the worse case.
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Because its none of his business what's in our mail, whether we're conspiring against the government or not.

EDIT: It's got "abuse of power" and "police state" written all over it.
 
Hooray another right bites the dust
 
I, and I suspect a good number of the rest of you, have not reviewed the particulars of this case enough to make an informed opinion. On the face of it, this event seems startling, but there is a lot of room for misinterpretation and omittion of certain facts that may be required to understand the situation properly.
 
John HSOG is right, if it were true I suspect it would have been plastered all over the news.

But if it is true, I'm going to have a high-speed come-apart.
 
Too far man, too far.

Oh wait, it was too far a while ago...
 
John HSOG said:
I, and I suspect a good number of the rest of you, have not reviewed the particulars of this case enough to make an informed opinion. On the face of it, this event seems startling, but there is a lot of room for misinterpretation and omittion of certain facts that may be required to understand the situation properly.
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This is not a legal case, this is a signing statement which if he acts out on them would be illegal.
 
Unsurprising arrogance. Let's counter it.

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