1933 ww2 v7.0

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1933 WW2 CivIV Warlords Scenario by JungleIII


The date is 1933. What if Adolph Hitler had NOT been appointed to lead the divided parliamentary government of Germany and President Hindenburg continued on to lead the powerful German nation, how would history have played out? Would you rise to lead another nation to slow the military buildup, taking place in Germany? Or, would you allow the appointment of Hitler in the new position of Chancellor replacing Field Marshal Hindenburg as leader with someone… like yourself? What would you do to change history?

Nations Playable in this Scenario:
Nation Leader

Germany - Paul Hindenburg
England - Winston Churchill
U.S.A. - Franklin Roosevelt
Japan - Emperor Hirohito
Soviets - Joseph Stalin
French - Albert Lebrun
Neutrals - Ignacy Moscicki
Australia - Robert Menzies
Persians - King Ghazi
China - Chang Kai Shek
India - Gandhi
Latin Nations - Benavides
Turks - Mustafa Ataturk
Italians - Benito Mussolini
Arabia - King Saud
Canada - Mackenzie King
Spain - Francisco Franco
Mexico - Rodriguez

This is a WORLD WIDE Scenario; playing with historically similar nations to the day, with slight adjustments to balance play. It is played in CIV4 Warlords because of the incredible complexity and interesting variations to game play with in so many ways mimic the world at the time. Vassals will become an important part of game play as you proceed through your campaigns, just as alliances were formed in WWII. You CAN play peacefully as the leader of any of the Major Nations, but will probably want to pound someone to get a bigger slice of the world to make it easier to win that diplomatic victory… OR, go for the greedy land grab and take at least 50% to win.

This scenario is played on asioasioasio and Kodzi’s 1939WW2 mod available under separate download from 15 February 2007. My many thanks to them and the rest of the mod team for enabling this rich and different experience. This mod brings a completely new Tech Tree with 100 new technologies based on Modern knowledge. The civics are completely redone with a war time advantage available, which really helps in those serious campaigns. Of course, the units are vast and will continue to increase as the team keeps adding unique and revised versions of many contributors. To get you in the ‘mood’, you’ll find the all new movies, wonders, and music a real bonus with depth and professionalism. What about Religion? It has been replaced with Axis, Allies and Communism and your friends are clear from the start.

In beta testing, the most winnable leaders to play for domination/diplomatic win are:
USA, Germany, Japan, England, Soviets – play at higher difficulty suggested.
Winnable but with challenges and must be played aggressively:
Neutrals, Australia, India, French … …makes historical sense too.

It is best to have at least 1 G.B. of memory to play this game, but you will find the wait to load worth the while.

This Scenario DOWNLOAD can be found at:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downlo...o=file&id=4153

25 March 2007 Beta Version 1933ww2_7.7p

Sorry, but since this is still in Beta, not all leaderheads will appear differently and tags and verbiage is not entirely finished. Amendments will occur for next 70 days, and re-released scenario versions will contain the new leaderheads as we can get them assembled with their national characteristics in place.

For the latest version of this scenario - you must also have the latest version of the WW2 1939 mod which is 1.15b and located at: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4164

Enjoy!
 
Note:
Menzies was not Aussie PM in 1933. Lyons was. Menzies was PM in 39-41. You're better off using Lyons (32-39) or Curtin (41-45).

But PLEASE don't insult us with Menzies. :(
 
Dale said:
Note:
Menzies was not Aussie PM in 1933. Lyons was. Menzies was PM in 39-41. You're better off using Lyons (32-39) or Curtin (41-45).

But PLEASE don't insult us with Menzies. :(
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I used Menzies because he was more well known, more documented, more remebered.... and served during the formative years of war days. Lyons was deeply loved though in his day.

But, I am happy to respond to your request... if more Aussies would prefer Joseph Lyons, then I am happy to change - although it is likely we will not have a Lyons leaderhead as Menzies is the only leaderhead available at the moment in this period.... Looks aren't everything though, as the scenario is still in Beta because the mod is still in beta and changing every few days.

Cheers... ...Jungle
 
At least you didn't go any of the current politicians (from fed, state, libs or labour).

*shudder* Imagine seeing Beazely as a leaderhead? :eek:
 
Dale said:
At least you didn't go any of the current politicians (from fed, state, libs or labour).

*shudder* Imagine seeing Beazely as a leaderhead? :eek:
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The current political climate is kind of surprising with Rudd pulling ahead in the polls and Howard putting his foot in his mouth... and not really paying attention to - well, let's not go into that nasty business. :crazyeye:

Anyway, thanks for your input!

Cheers... Jungle
 
Can't wait to play this scenario with the WW2 mod! Looks really good!

However, I noticed one thing in the screenshot: China - Chiang Kai Shek is a communist!! This is very wrong as he was probably the most anti-communism leader ever in Chinese history. In fact, Chiang Kai Shek was close to completely eliminated the Communist in China (leading by Mao Zedong) at 1933 but Mao managed to escaped (the famous Long March 1934 -35) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March.

So, just don't put Chiang as communist. You could put him as capitalist or even facist (as some historians have claimed).
 
Genghis_Kai said:
Can't wait to play this scenario with the WW2 mod! Looks really good!

However, I noticed one thing in the screenshot: China - Chiang Kai Shek is a communist!! This is very wrong as he was probably the biggest anti-communism fighter in China. In fact, Chiang Kai Shek was close to completely eliminated the Communist in China (leading by Mao Zedong) at 1933 but Mao managed to escaped (the famous Long March 1934 -35).

Very astute... I kept vacillating on which "religion" to belong to for Chiang Kai Shek and had almost put him under the Axis/Fascist religion, but decided most would expect him under this banner. If you will notice, he does have several cities where Fascism is the 'religion', even though he has adopted ‘comintern’ as his religion.

He is fighting the Axis ally Japan at the start of the scenario, so that was another reason to peg him into the comintern religion to keep up the aggressiveness of the A.I. If it doesn’t mess up the playability, I will see about changing him to Axis, as he certainly never got on board with the eventual form of Communism that emerged following the war.

EDIT: Oh - almost forgot... I always let the program play a few turns at peace before I finalise a saved scenario... I never did make the decision to have him under comintern religion - he chose it himself as did about 1/2 the nations who didn't have assigned religions and they decided on their own choices. Funny that!

Thanks for input…
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JungleIII said:
Genghis_Kai said:
Can't wait to play this scenario with the WW2 mod! Looks really good!

However, I noticed one thing in the screenshot: China - Chiang Kai Shek is a communist!! This is very wrong as he was probably the biggest anti-communism fighter in China. In fact, Chiang Kai Shek was close to completely eliminated the Communist in China (leading by Mao Zedong) at 1933 but Mao managed to escaped (the famous Long March 1934 -35).

Very astute... I kept vacillating on which "religion" to belong to for Chiang Kai Shek and had almost put him under the Axis/Fascist religion, but decided most would expect him under this banner. If you will notice, he does have several cities where Fascism is the 'religion', even though he has adopted ‘comintern’ as his religion.

He is fighting the Axis ally Japan at the start of the scenario, so that was another reason to peg him into the comintern religion to keep up the aggressiveness of the A.I. If it doesn’t mess up the playability, I will see about changing him to Axis, as he certainly never got on board with the eventual form of Communism that emerged following the war.

Thanks for input…
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I didn't have the download yet so I still haven't seem the map in detail.

But I read somewhere that said the mod has 3 religions, the communist, the facist and the capitalist. Capitalist seems to be most suitable for Chiang.

Obviously there are various game play issues that I couldn't be aware of at this point in time, but putting Commuism as the state religion of Chiang Kai Shek is just like puting Roosevelt as Communist ... is just incorrect :sad:

No offence, just hoping to throw in my two cents.
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Another idea forgot to mention. Japan is started at war with China in the scenario. I think you could consider putting them in peace, but furious with each other at the beginning in stead. See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanggu_Truce

Chiang Kai Shek was too afraid to start a full out war with Japan, as he was too concentrated to eliminate the communist.
It was until July1937 that Japan snake attacked Beijing (called Beiping at the time) and Chiang couldn't resist anymore.

So this could make the scenario start out peacefully for everyone.
 
this really does look amazing with much promise. Hopefully the other part of the mod will be available soon to play it
 
Your scenario looks good but there´s a problem with Spain, Franco didn't become leader until 1939. In 1933 Spain was a republic with many influences from the Soviet Union. The flag was diferent (Red-Yellow-Purple) and its politics features were anticlericalism, public propiety, democracy, freedom... You can get more information about the 2nd Republic on the Internet. You could use as leader Manuel Azaña or Niceto Alcalá-Zamora, even Alejandro Larrux. But Azaña and Alcalá-Zamora were the most important politics of the Republic.

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Jaytower said:
Your scenario looks good but there´s a problem with Spain, Franco didn't become leader until 1939. In 1933 Spain was a republic with many influences from the Soviet Union. The flag was diferent (Red-Yellow-Purple) and its politics features were anticlericalism, public propiety, democracy, freedom... You can get more information about the 2nd Republic on the Internet. You could use as leader Manuel Azaña or Niceto Alcalá-Zamora, even Alejandro Larrux. But Azaña and Alcalá-Zamora were the most important politics of the Republic.

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Thank you for your input into the scenario, and while I try to keep a historical aspect to the game, I have taken liberties with leaders and army strengths, and other factors to make a more balanced play. It is loosely based on history for the period and will not be able to represent a complete history lesson.

As for General Franco who with the aid of the Germans, Mussolini and even the Russians (who later withdrew support) was finally put into power in 1939 after the Spanish Civil War from 1931 to 1939, it was my choice to use him as the leader of Spain because he was the most charismatic leader for the period of my scenario which is from 1933 to 1950 roughly. When he was installed, his army marched in Madrid with the Italians and Germans who had assisted the revolution to its successful conclusion ousting Manuel Azana, sending him into exile. Very few leaders actually lived through the whole period of my scenario, let alone none were in office for even a major portion of the scenario time era.

I chose Francisco Franco because he represented the political force and nature of Spain that was truly developing at the time during the revolution. It would be a whole other scenario to play out the Spanish Revolution, and I heard there was someone working on that scenario.

As the time passes in my scenario, about the time Spain becomes active in the game when playing beta test games, General Franco would have been leader at that period.

I very much appreciate the input and would like to keep the notations of historical accuracy as a feature in this scenario and hope my reasoning will prevail to why this choice was made.

As for the flag – unless there is a glitch I am unaware of, the flag displayed is as you have described – Red, Yellow and Purple. At least on my screen that’s how it shows up…

Again, thanks for the input… :)
 
just tried it out and i am gobsmacked at how nice this is. You guys put in a lot of effort and greatly appreciated!

one thing i just was wondering about, shouldnt the uk have control of more colonies? Maybe such as Hong Kong and The Falklands?
 
Narn said:
just tried it out and i am gobsmacked at how nice this is. You guys put in a lot of effort and greatly appreciated!

one thing i just was wondering about, shouldnt the uk have control of more colonies? Maybe such as Hong Kong and The Falklands?
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Hi Narn...

Thanks for your feedback... I had tried to FIT in Hong Kong, but even with the hugh map, it is too small to fit it in with the few cities the Chinese had left after the Japanese had taken over sooo much of their territory and even forced the Chinese troops out of their own capital. I could have included India in with the English as technically they were still under British rule, but it made the English too powerful AWAY from home, and that didn't balance... and the Indians actually have a chance at a diplomatic win in this game.

So... I am putting on my list your play notation and will consider finding more cities for England to have under their control.

Cheers.... JungleIII
 
i understand your concerns. On pretty much every other scenario where the british empire is playable as one, the canadian/indian parts of the empire would end up producing more and being more important cities for the empire than the home cities

keep up the good work!
 
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