NitroJay's Late Start Saved Games

NitroJay · Mar 7, 2007

Updated Again...

So, I figure that since Rhye isn't planning on releasing any new versions for a while, I would post manipulated saves for those of you who would rather not wait for the auto-turns AND want a world historically accurate to the one your chosen civ was born into...

(I can't find my vanilla civ4 CD for the life of me, so I'm only going to be able to play around with Warlords...)

It was discussed some time ago on another thread (for the life of me, I can't find it) that it would be nice to have historical starting situations for each civ... So, I spent the afternoon yesterday in the world builder, building a somewhat-accurate start for Greece. It wasn't as time consuming as I thought it would be, so I plan on doing all the later civ starts as historically accurate as possible... But I do have a job and a girlfriend that take up alot of my free time, so we'll see how it goes...

The information I am using to build the historically accurate worlds for the civs to be born into are taken from a variety of sources. I have a few Atlases from the library for the "extent of empires" in different time periods, as well as the estimated populations of major cities. I'm also using a spreadsheet version of Rhye's citynamemanager when placing new cities to make sure that there will be no conflict when an opposing civ captures a city. (I'd like the name changes to still occur.) Of course, wikipedia is my source for exact wonder founding dates/places, etc. I also have a variety of books laying around here that I've used to determine: buildings in each city, tech levels of the different civs, and military composition and strength. I'm trying to be as accurate as possible, but, if anyone decides to give these a shot and notice a major balance problem, please let me know.

As for the saves, I try not to add too much, I just tweak the regular start a little to make the other civs in the world represent themseleves as accurate as possible considering the time period. I didn't add any barbarian/independant cities or make things more complicated than they should be, I just move a few things around some. It should feel like a regular RFC start... -Just with the world the way it should be...

Here are the links to the starts I have modified so far as well as some others...: (Please feel free to post your own random starts or your alternate versions of history if you'd like in this thread, the more the better!

NitroJay · Mar 7, 2007

Greece Start

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/100826/Start_Save_-_Greece.CivWarlordsSave

Spoiler :

Hitti-Litti · Mar 7, 2007

Thanks, NitroYay!

Waiting for Greece and Persia don't annoy me, Vikings are the first that I have to wait for.

Also I think that you should make available a realistic start and few starts that are just saves from the first turn, and world isn't necessarily realistic. Alternative history is the goal of the game.

NitroJay · Mar 7, 2007

Yeah, I plan on getting to the later starting civs... well... LATER...!

From a world building standpoint, it's easier to start from the beginning and build up from there...

I figure when I get into later civs, anything from Japan on, I'll throw a few random starts in with the historical one, but as you said, it's no big deal waiting for Greece/Persia/Carthage etc...

kairob · Mar 7, 2007

If I could be pointed to some good sources of information on the period I might load up an america save with the world as it was in 1733, or their abouts, using world builder. Would anyone be interested in this? if so please PM me cos I dont wanna threadjack anymore than I am doing, sorry dude...

Hitti-Litti · Mar 7, 2007

I'm willing to assist you, I'll check a scenario of EU2 and tell something important about it.

A little later.

NitroJay · Mar 7, 2007

Kairob, it's cool man, you were one on "the other thread" that inspired me to give this a shot... As for info on the period, (I hate to suggest such a drastic measure) but try the library... The library down the street from my house here has excellent political maps of the world through-out the ages, as well as estimated populations of cities - which is a good place to start... Wiki is easy enough for wonders dates/places... The most difficult I would say is figuring out the techs for each civ and the buildings in each city.

kairob · Mar 7, 2007

Yeah, I think that I will try population and wonders on historic accuracy but probably do the building, units and techs on a mix of hitoric accuracy, common sense and balance.

Thanks for the library tip btw I honestly wouldnt have thought of that...

NitroJay · Mar 7, 2007

Persia Start

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/100826/Start_Save_-_Persia.CivWarlordsSave

Spoiler :

NitroJay · Mar 7, 2007

Thanks for the library tip btw I honestly wouldnt have thought of that...

Wiki can't get you everywhere... lol... The book I was using is called something along the lines of "Historical Atlas of the World..." I'm sure anything along those lines would do. It has political maps and major population centers with a bunch of statistics... It has one for Ancient Egypt showing the type of artifacts found at each site (i.e. pottery, military, etc...) It allows you to build more than just blank or generalized cities.

kairob · Mar 7, 2007

Thanks mate, I will play it and see how I do

TrailblazingScot · Mar 7, 2007

NitroJay said:
So, I figure that since Rhye isn't planning on releasing any new versions for a while, I would post some late-start save games for those of you who are tired of waiting for the auto-turns... I can't find my vanilla civ4 CD for the life of me, so I'm only going to be able to play around with Warlords...

It was discussed some time ago on another thread (for the life of me, I can't find it) that it would be nice to have historical starting situations for each civ... So, I spent the afternoon yesterday in the world builder, building a somewhat-accurate start for Greece. It wasn't as time consuming as I thought it would be, so I plan on doing all the late civ starts as historically accurate as possible... But I do have a job and a girlfriend that take up alot of my free time, so we'll see how it goes...

As for the saves, I didn't add much, I just treaked the regular start a little to make the other civs represent themseleves as accurate as possible considering the time period. I didn't add any barbarian/independant cities or make things more complicated than they should be, just moved a few things around some. It should feel like a regular RFC start... -Just with the world the way it should be...

Wouldn't be bad having some normal saves from when the auto-turns have finished uploaded here. E.g a Monarch America save so I don't need to wait 20 minutes for my computer to auto-resolve. I've done that fow the earlier version I was playing, but didn't get around to uploading it for all.

Would say your title is mis-leading in this thread as these are mini-scenarios you're doing and Greece and Persia are hardly late start civs hehe.

NitroJay · Mar 7, 2007

Would say your title is mis-leading in this thread as these are mini-scenarios you're doing and Greece and Persia are hardly late start civs hehe

Changed the title. As I said before, I'm going to try to do all of the civs... It's just easier from a World Building standpoint to start at the beginning.

Mowque · Mar 7, 2007

stupid question (maybe) I'm not sure what your doing. are you just loading civs that take awhile to auto-turn or are you making realalistic starts? If so can you make unrealalistic ones? also i'd like to help, if that's what your doing.

Rhye · Mar 7, 2007

thank you very much for what you are doing!

NitroJay · Mar 7, 2007

stupid question (maybe) I'm not sure what your doing. are you just loading civs that take awhile to auto-turn or are you making realalistic starts? If so can you make unrealalistic ones? also i'd like to help, if that's what your doing.

Yes, I'm trying to make realistic starts... That way, you can load up (for now) Greece or Persia and have the historical start for each civ... I hated it when I would try to play Persia and have a ULTRA-STRONG Babylonia to deal with or loading up Greece to find that India already built the Oracle... These saves I have made are the first turn of the civs that don't start right away, but with the world built exactly as it was historically. I'll throw a few random/un-world-builded saves in the mix a little later, but really, anyone can do that... What I'm looking for is HISTORICALY ACCURATE starts.

Although, I'm not going to freak out if anyone posts random starts (the kind where you just save the game after the autoload), feel free to post any starting saves here for those that would rather have an alternate history... I'll probably set up the first post on this thread to link to all of the different options... However, I'll keep posting each civ in order after I fix the surrounding world according to History... It's easier to build the Earth that way...

sdLeo · Mar 7, 2007

Hehe, this is a great idea! I'll come up with alt-realities for sure!

Whitefire · Mar 7, 2007

NitroJay said:
Yeah, I plan on getting to the later starting civs... well... LATER...! From a world building standpoint, it's easier to start from the beginning and build up from there...

I figure when I get into later civs, anything from Japan on, I'll throw a few random starts in with the historical one, but as you said, it's no big deal waiting for Greece/Persia/Carthage etc...

So how do you edit it? Do you run the Autoturns until your civ spawns, save, then edit all of the cities?

kairob · Mar 7, 2007

My main question is what to do if a civ you want in has collapsed, all attempts by me to add them back in have lead to problems...

Mercenary82 · Mar 8, 2007

Excellent idea, some civs that could really use this are Mongols, Turks, and America. I've been thinking of how to best do an American start, but its hard to decide what civs will still be around at that time, and what independent and barb cities that should be everywhere.

NitroJay's Late Start Saved Games

Warlord

Warlord

Deity

Warlord

Biohazard

Deity

Warlord

Biohazard

Warlord

Warlord

Biohazard

I was kittenOFchaos

Warlord

Hypermodernist

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Warlord

Cosmopolitan

Emperor

Biohazard

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