HOF Questions and Answers Thread

Methos · Mar 25, 2007, 01:53 PM

This thread is meant to cover any questions regarding the Hall of Fame that don't need its own specific thread. Thanks!

ori · Mar 25, 2007, 02:48 PM

Excellent FAQ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methos

Any questions can be directed to this thread.

but if this is posted on the HOF page, you might want to link to this thread (as in http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=213555) instead of this thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by superslug

Moderator Action: Stickied. Previous (and admittedly inferior) FAQ thread closed.

Methos · Mar 25, 2007, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ori

but if this is posted on the HOF page, you might want to link to this thread (as in http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=213555) instead of this thread:

Spent more time on making sure everything else was correct, totally missed the simple and obvious!

superslug · Mar 25, 2007, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methos

Spent more time on making sure everything else was correct, totally missed the simple and obvious!

I hold some fault on that as well, since I forgot to tell you I was going to make this one the official thread...

Harbourboy · Apr 02, 2007, 07:18 PM

OK - I have a question. What is the minimum number of games that would be required to be submitted to cover off all the conditions to become a Quattromaster?

Ozbenno · Apr 02, 2007, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harbourboy

OK - I have a question. What is the minimum number of games that would be required to be submitted to cover off all the conditions to become a Quattromaster?

18 games would do it, as 18 different civilizations, making sure you got every map type, speed, victory condition, difficulty and the two gauntlets covered in those 18 games.

Methos · Apr 13, 2007, 01:55 PM

As you all probably noticed there have been several questions raised lately in the forums regarding how the HoF works. Unfortunately many of these questions are either hard to locate the answers to, either in the forums or on the site, or can't be located at all. I'm working on this being the place for everyone to answer those questions. The problem is, both RL responsibilities and playing

is getting in the way. I'm hoping that many of you can help me out in expanding on the above FAQ.

Basically what I'm wanting is for those of you interested to ask/answer questions that you feel could be added to the above list. Please state your suggestions in something easy to figure out, such as:

Question: What does HoF mean?

Answer: HoF is an acronym that is used that refers to the Hall of Fame.

Disclaimer: Please note, any suggestions given does not mean that I will include them in the FAQ. If I do include them realize that they may be inserted into the FAQ worded differently than you have stated. Thank you.

Methos · Apr 30, 2007, 01:50 PM

Questions relating to the HoF Mod and the included mods have been added to the FAQ. Unfortunately I still need to complete the descriptions for the Exotic Foreign Advisor, Domestic Advisor, and MapFinder. Format has been changed to make things easier to locate. Items are now put into sections.

I have also included:

Who are the HoF Staff and how do I contact them?

Jump to top of page

KMadCandy · Apr 30, 2007, 03:39 PM

Question, since i only noticed the april 13th post when i read the new april 30th post today: How would you like to receive such suggestions?

Potential Answers: Here in this thread. Perhaps by email. Maybe in another thread created for this purpose to not clutter up this thread or your mailbox.

Disclaimer: I can't read Methos's mind, and do not know his tolerance for clutter

Methos · Apr 30, 2007, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMadCandy

How would you like to receive such suggestions?

Potential Answers: Here in this thread.

This thread is fine, unless you prefer to email or PM me. By posting in this thread it allows others to expand on the suggestions and/or questions.

Methos · May 19, 2007, 07:19 PM

The FAQ has been updated with this information in reference to MapFinder:

Quote:

MapFinder

What does MapFinder do?
What do I need to use MapFinder?
How do I install MapFinder?
How do create, save, and view my Maps?
What is the Rules Builder File?
Uh, how do I read the MapFinder screen?

Methos · May 29, 2007, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airny

I just found something in my opinion very odd in the HoF-table:
I began by looking at one of my games that was worth only 6.8 Points for QM, although being on Immortal.
There are 2 games with the setting "Std Im Diplo Mara" in there.
The best finished 1544AD and mine 1560AD.
The first game gets 64 Points and because mine is the "worse", I got lousy 6.8 Points!
I don't think that is fair and till now I thought your calculation took into account, how close the games are together.
So to get more points for my game, I have to submit a very bad game or wait for someone to do so... I am disappointed about that.

Another thing we discussed some time ago, was an "unofficial" filter "warlords/vanilla". Any news on that?

QScore is derived from BaseQScore, which takes into account the average date of the best dates from each player. The fastest date receives a BaseQScore of 100 and the average date receives a 50. The problem is when a table consists of only two dates.

Take for instance a ficticious table where we have two submissions.

Player X: 1900 AD
Player Y: 1902 AD

The average between those two dates would be 1901 AD. Therefore, even though the two submissions are only 1 turn apart (two years), the BaseQScore each submission would get would be:

1900 AD = 100 points
1902 AD = 10 points

It doesn't matter if player X or Y submits a worse game, as those games wouldn't be taken into account for BaseQScore. You'd have to have another player submit a game to affect BaseQScore.

Airny · May 29, 2007, 07:00 PM

You didn't really cheer me up Methos.

I guess that 10 points are also the absolut minimum I would get.
So it wouldn't matter how good my game is. In your example, someone submitting a 2000AD game would still get 10 points, correct?

Methos · May 29, 2007, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airny

You didn't really cheer me up Methos.

I guess that 10 points are also the absolut minimum I would get.
So it wouldn't matter how good my game is. In your example, someone submitting a 2000AD game would still get 10 points, correct?

No, as the parameters used in compiling the BaseQScore would now change. Let me explain. Previously we had this:

Player X: 1900 AD
Player Y: 1902 AD

Therefore the average between the two would be 1901 AD. So player x (1900 AD) would earn 100 points and player y (1902 AD) would earn 10 points. Now let's include your 2000 AD submitted by a third player:

Player X: 1900 AD
Player Y: 1902 AD
Player Z: 2000 AD

Since we have three players with three best dates the average is no longer 1901 AD. The new average is now (1900 + 1902 + 2000)/3, or 1934. Player Y's date of 1902 is above the average date and is now probably sitting somewhere in the 90's. Since the average date is 1934 (50 points), the date that would earn 10 points would not be the 2000 AD, instead it would be 1968. This means player z with his 2000 AD date would earn less than ten points. Does that make more sense? Basically for every submission made by a player who hasn't yet submitted to that specific table the average date will change.

When there are only two submissions to a table the BaseQScore earned by both players will either be 100 or 10, no matter how close or far apart their dates are.

Thrallia · May 30, 2007, 12:18 AM

got it...so the 10 points spot is the date that is exactly as far behind the average date as the fastest date is ahead of the average?

anything farther behind the average than the fastest is ahead of the average gets less than 10 points, and anything between the average and the fastest gets between 50 and 100 points...is that correct?

Methos · May 30, 2007, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrallia

got it...so the 10 points spot is the date that is exactly as far behind the average date as the fastest date is ahead of the average?

Correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrallia

anything farther behind the average than the fastest is ahead of the average gets less than 10 points, and anything between the average and the fastest gets between 50 and 100 points...is that correct?

Correct.

Maybe this will help...

The above graph is the formula that is used in compiling BaseQScore. As you can see the fastest date would receive 100, the average date (darker line down the middle) coincides with the graph at 50 points. 10 points is the exact distance same distance as 100 points is from 50 points. The farthest point to the right is exactly twice the distance as is between 100 points and 50 points.

dutchfire · May 31, 2007, 01:05 PM

Quote:

The above graph is the formula

By any chance, do you know the exact mathematical formula? Just interested

Methos · May 31, 2007, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dutchfire

By any chance, do you know the exact mathematical formula? Just interested

Yes, I do.

Dystopian · Jun 02, 2007, 09:51 AM

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Submitted: 2007-06-02 10:47:32

You may verify that your submission was received by checking the submission list.

Denniz · Jun 02, 2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dystopian

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Submitted: 2007-06-02 10:47:32

You may verify that your submission was received by checking the submission list.

Yeah, I noticed the problem a little while ago. Please hold on to your submission. We'll let you know when it is safe to try again. Thanks.

Mar 25, 2007, 01:53 PM	#1
Methos HoF Quattromaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 11,390 Images: 34	HOF Questions and Answers Thread This thread is meant to cover any questions regarding the Hall of Fame that don't need its own specific thread. Thanks! __________________ *Hall of Fame:* Forums, Rules, FAQ, Tables, HOF Email: hof.civfanatics@gmail.com Last edited by Methos; Jan 26, 2008 at 01:10 PM.

Apr 13, 2007, 01:55 PM	#7
Methos HoF Quattromaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 11,390 Images: 34	As you all probably noticed there have been several questions raised lately in the forums regarding how the HoF works. Unfortunately many of these questions are either hard to locate the answers to, either in the forums or on the site, or can't be located at all. I'm working on this being the place for everyone to answer those questions. The problem is, both RL responsibilities and playing is getting in the way. I'm hoping that many of you can help me out in expanding on the above FAQ. Basically what I'm wanting is for those of you interested to ask/answer questions that you feel could be added to the above list. Please state your suggestions in something easy to figure out, such as: Question: What does HoF mean? Answer: HoF is an acronym that is used that refers to the Hall of Fame. Disclaimer: Please note, any suggestions given does not mean that I will include them in the FAQ. If I do include them realize that they may be inserted into the FAQ worded differently than you have stated. Thank you. __________________ *Hall of Fame:* Forums, Rules, FAQ, Tables, HOF Email: hof.civfanatics@gmail.com

Apr 30, 2007, 01:50 PM	#8
Methos HoF Quattromaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 11,390 Images: 34	Questions relating to the HoF Mod and the included mods have been added to the FAQ. Unfortunately I still need to complete the descriptions for the Exotic Foreign Advisor, Domestic Advisor, and MapFinder. Format has been changed to make things easier to locate. Items are now put into sections. I have also included: Who are the HoF Staff and how do I contact them? Jump to top of page __________________ *Hall of Fame:* Forums, Rules, FAQ, Tables, HOF Email: hof.civfanatics@gmail.com Last edited by Methos; Apr 30, 2007 at 01:54 PM.

Apr 30, 2007, 03:39 PM	#9
KMadCandy giggling permanoob Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Peepsville Posts: 3,989 Images: 8	Question, since i only noticed the april 13th post when i read the new april 30th post today: How would you like to receive such suggestions? Potential Answers: Here in this thread. Perhaps by email. Maybe in another thread created for this purpose to not clutter up this thread or your mailbox. Disclaimer: I can't read Methos's mind, and do not know his tolerance for clutter __________________ no those privateers aren't mine. that GG i just got while i'm not at war with anybody? popped him from a hut.

May 30, 2007, 12:18 AM	#15
Thrallia Youngest Geezer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Delaware Posts: 2,796	got it...so the 10 points spot is the date that is exactly as far behind the average date as the fastest date is ahead of the average? anything farther behind the average than the fastest is ahead of the average gets less than 10 points, and anything between the average and the fastest gets between 50 and 100 points...is that correct? __________________ Completed SGs: SGOTM5-Gypsy Kings: Temujin's HordesSGOTM4-Geezers: Gandhi in Space SGOTM3- Geezers: Russian Diplomats and Cosmonauts SGOTM2-Geezers: Tokugawa of Japan I review games at Snackbar Games Check out what I'm currently playing and my game collection at Backloggery

Apr 02, 2007, 07:18 PM	#5
Harbourboy Deity Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North Harbour Posts: 2,998	OK - I have a question. What is the minimum number of games that would be required to be submitted to cover off all the conditions to become a Quattromaster?

May 29, 2007, 07:00 PM	#13
Airny Warlord Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 273	You didn't really cheer me up Methos. I guess that 10 points are also the absolut minimum I would get. So it wouldn't matter how good my game is. In your example, someone submitting a 2000AD game would still get 10 points, correct?

Jun 02, 2007, 09:51 AM	#19
Dystopian Chieftain Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 7	Errors when submitting HoF errors: Warning: ftp_login() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 196 Warning: ftp_put() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 197 Warning: ftp_login() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 200 Warning: ftp_site() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 201 Warning: ftp_close() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 204 Warning: ftp_login() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 196 Warning: ftp_put() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 197 Warning: ftp_login() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 200 Warning: ftp_site() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 201 Warning: ftp_close() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 204 Warning: rename(./files/unchecked/dystopian1.CivWarlordsSave,./files/unchecked/7569_20105_Dystopian_AD.CivWarlordsSave) [function.rename]: No such file or directory in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 321 Failed to rename from ./files/unchecked/dystopian1.CivWarlordsSave to ./files/unchecked/7569_20105_Dystopian_AD.CivWarlordsSave Warning: rename(./files/unchecked/dystopian2.CivWarlordsSave,./files/unchecked/7569_20106_Dystopian_AD.CivWarlordsSave) [function.rename]: No such file or directory in /home/hofciv/public_html/civ4/include/submit.php on line 321 Failed to rename from ./files/unchecked/dystopian2.CivWarlordsSave to ./files/unchecked/7569_20106_Dystopian_AD.CivWarlordsSave Thank you for submitting Dystopian BC-0275.CivWarlordsSave. Submitted: 2007-06-02 10:47:32 You may verify that your submission was received by checking the submission list.

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