I want YOUR ideas

Hello everybody.
Currently I'm working on my long-time project of a scenario taking place in the year of 2065. This is not a Sci-Fi-scenario, at least not at the beginning. It is more like a scenario of the todays world, only with some modifikations of the nations and confederations to make it actually playable.
One of the changes will be, that there are no cities, only areas. So there will be an area called "American Eastcoast", not a city called "New York". So caused by that there will be no buildings any more, also. They get replaced by "Government programs". So what used to be the "Barracks" will now be an "Upgrading-program of the military bases".
Of couse this is merely a cosmetic change, but a change that is actually going to have an impact on game play is, that all civ-specific buildings are going to be kicked off the game. Instead I would like to grand every nation an own government program, other nations can't start at all.
And to accomplish this I need your help. Any idea what program a single nation should have and what it should do are more then welcome. Negative effects are possible,too. Just give your fancy full scope

Note: There will be listed only suggestions. Feel free to make your own one.

The nations are:

United States of America
Russian Federation
People's Republic of China
European Union
Republic of India
Japan
Israel
--> Program for environment fertilization / Bonuses: + 1 food from desert, + 20% production
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
--> Program for the mass-production of coil / Bonuses: + 1 Trade Route, + 3 Hammers
Arab League
Federative Republic of Brazil
Argentine Republic
Canada
Commonwealth of Australia
--> Program for the mass-production of uranium / Bonuses: + 1 Trade Route, + 1 Hammer, + 5 Gold
Islamic Republic of Iran
Republic of Indonesia
Republic of Kazakhstan
Central-Asian Islamic Union
African Union
United Mexican States
Socialistic Federation of Southamerican States
Ukraine
Republic of Belarus
Confederation of south-eastern Asian States


Minor Civs:
Other Southamerican States
African Rebels

Hi,

I like your civ list. The scenario seems to be full of conflicts and aggression

I'm not sure about your "programmes". How many programmes should each nation have?

Chamaedrys said:

Hi,
I like your civ list. The scenario seems to be full of conflicts and aggression

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Yes, it's supposed to be kind of a 3rd World War szenario. I'm also going to include Blakes Better AI - Mod, so there surely will be some aggressions

Chamaedrys said:

I'm not sure about your "programmes". How many programmes should each nation have?

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One additional program (or building, if u prefare to call it like that) for every nation. And by the way, don't worry about the program-name if you can't think of a good one right away. Way more importent is the general idea and/or the effects.

Considering the time the mod takes place, there's some room for some fantasy: What if the CIS (Now just an alliance between ex-Sovjet Republics) is a unified and sovereign country?

Just my idea

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland: British Steel and Coal Program

Effects could be increase in gold and production

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No Israel? I think that Israel has more to do in world conflicts than Canada or Kazakhstan.

mike6426 said:

No Israel? I think that Israel has more to do in world conflicts than Canada or Kazakhstan.

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Well, lets answer the last post first.
For Canada this seems very true. For Kazahkstan.... well, considering oil and gas desposits the importance of Kazahkstan is undenieable, but that is not the point anyways.
Believe, I would have loved to include Israel and I'm totally aware of it's role in world politics. Sadly I'm forced to use a quite small world map, to make this game still playable for computers, which were no bought this or last year and so to make this scenario still fun for gamers. I already tried out two other totally ready maps, but in the end I had to give up due huge performance problems. My new map solves this problem, but it gives in no way space for an Israeli nation in the middle east.
If there is an reasonable suggestion to make a nation work probably, if it only conquers one tile at the beginning I might change my mind, but that might be really hard to realize.

Kaiserguard said:

Considering the time the mod takes place, there's some room for some fantasy: What if the CIS (Now just an alliance between ex-Sovjet Republics) is a unified and sovereign country?

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Indeed, the room for some fantasy is the great thing of a mod taking place almost 60 years in the future.
About the soviet union: I thought about the possibility of creating a new SU. That would lower the already quite big number of nations and gives credit to all the people who just love to fight the evil communists
But I also like to have some current conflicts in there, and one major conflict - also if media did not pay too much attention to it so far - is the fight over natural recourses in central asia due the collaps of the Sowjet Union between Russia and the US. Because of this and the fact, that there are already more then enough cold war scenarios out there I would like to keep Russia as as single nation

deanjack said:

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland: British Steel and Coal Program
Effects could be increase in gold and production

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Recognized. Just take a look at the top

How about having some of the civs go into civil war -- with several factions even?

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Something like this is planed in Africa. Even if I'm not sure yet how to actually do it. With other nations ... well certainly possible. You could propably use some stuff of "Rhyes and Fall of Civs". But you also have to consider the issue of performance. Though Because of the size of the map there is some space for things that require some capacity of your computer. So what would be needed are some concrete suggestions

For Commonwealth of Australia maybe something to do with uranium?
Increased production/commerce even?

Alright, thanks for the feedback.
I added them to the list at the top with some concrete suggestions concerning the bonuses.

SiLL said:

Indeed, the room for some fantasy is the great thing of a mod taking place almost 60 years in the future.
About the soviet union: I thought about the possibility of creating a new SU. That would lower the already quite big number of nations and gives credit to all the people who just love to fight the evil communists
But I also like to have some current conflicts in there, and one major conflict - also if media did not pay too much attention to it so far - is the fight over natural recourses in central asia due the collaps of the Sowjet Union between Russia and the US. Because of this and the fact, that there are already more then enough cold war scenarios out there I would like to keep Russia as as single nation

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Well, I didn't say a unified future CIS would be Communist, instead, it could be Authoritarian Democrat, or perhaps a syncretisation of Communism and Fascism. And, it would not be a successor state to the SU, but is simple has Commonwealth of Independent Nations as official name.

Kaiserguard said:

Well, I didn't say a unified future CIS would be Communist, instead, it could be Authoritarian Democrat, or perhaps a syncretisation of Communism and Fascism. And, it would not be a successor state to the SU, but is simple has Commonwealth of Independent Nations as official name.

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Okay, I get what u mean. Actually a nice and not that unrealistic idea. But I guess I just like the possibilitie of conquering central asia without offending russia. Becauce of the strong islamism especially in the countries in the south of Kazakhstan there will be strong ties to the Arabic League rather then to Russia - at least in 58 years
Ukraine and Belarus (or Whiterussia) will be very likely to get vassals of russia, but will remain sperate countries due the growing efffors of getting those two countries closer to Europe. Poland and other countries, which are already members of the Union AND the Nato are very unlikely to reunite with Russia.
But Georgia (the country, not the US-state ) will be a part of Russia again

EDIT: Good news by the way. After my decision to use a slightly bigger map Israel will have the importance it deserves

Israel: Program for Environment Repair

+ food on plains, + production on grasslands

mike6426 said:

Israel: Program for Environment Repair

+ food on plains, + production on grasslands

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That's great, I like it Never would have thought of that und it does make sense! There should be a food-bonus for deserts, too, I think. Considering Israel being located at the desert. I only hope this can be done in the xml-files. I hate to have to mess around with python-stuff

Only slight increase, if any, as Israel does not use its desert a lot. Generally, the only people who live in Israeli deserts are Bedouins, and they are nomadic.

Also, although I do not code, the lighthouse may be a good basis for the program.

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mike6426 said:

Also, although I do not code, the lighthouse may be a good basis for the program.

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Of course! I was already agonizing about a building that would already do a similar thing and because of some reason I totally forgot about the lighthouse
Well, so there won't be any problem to make this work.
About the desert... As Kevin already has said there is the danger of an Israeil civ becoming too powerful. Otherwise I also think, that a bonus on deserts would be realistic due the fact that Israel contains more then 7 million souls and is very productive, but pretty much consists only of desert. So what I would do is give only food-bonus to desert tiles and than maybe some general production bonus. I will add a concrete suggestion to the top.

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Your quote from mike6426 about the lighthouse, brings up a possibility. What about using civ specific national wonders (perhaps even new ones) in Israel's cities? These wonders could give the huge bonuses needed without affecting new cities built or conquered. The wonders don't even have to be some special thing from the real world, they could just be used as an internal way to provide a bonus.

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Of course this would a possibility. But I think it's okay to give this as an general uniqhe building to resemble the Israeli know-how to fertilize bad soil. But I'm planning to use something like this to reflect the undeveloped African economies and the enormious high poulation in areas like India and western China in a proper way

European Union (and maybe U.S.A.)

Labour unions
+ faster worker's actions

Car industries
+ more aluminium and metal production