Where is MONTY? Or which AI do you hate the most?

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I remember back in vanilla, over a year now, every game I saw Monty I knew I was in peril. Monty would always declare war on me. Always.

If Tokunaga was also in the game I usually restarted.

I don't do that in FFH anymore. I never re-start. But also I haven't seen any AI that always tries to pick on me. I will be at war with many, and I will also start wars. Maybe I'm better player now. I win easily on prince, duel map, 7-8civs, agressive AI. I can also win on monarch though I hate losing many good units with 75% chance of vitory. Even attacking at 99% with the Baron against a warrior fortified on a city... it happens too many times in my games at monarch. Back to topic.

I've seen many times the clown declaring war. Doviello, Sheaim and vampires will usually declare war. But it's not like they are Monty.

He was a looney, always war and always asking for goods, techs and luxuries. Have the AIs been changed so drastically from vanilla? Is there a leader civ you always hate?

In vanilla I couldn't stand Monty, Tokunawa or Isabella.
In FFH I have no "greatest enemy"...
 
the balseraph insane leader is really hard to get along with. he usually always hates everyone for no reason and ends up getting himself overrun by enemies sooner or later due to his very limited diplomatic skills :crazyeye:

os gabella has issues too, she usually hates everyone wether they are good or evil. "you are only a man", what a disadvantage for the AI if the leader gets hostile against everyone who is only a human :crazyeye:

if you think it out of the box, the evil civs really have disadvantage in game because evils are much more likely to hate everyone or atleast majority of rival civs (even other evils), where good and neutral civs tend to like other civs who are similar to them. good civs usually never hate eachother or declare war against eachother unless something very strange happens.

if you are playing good or neutral, it usually is hopeless to start accepting evil civs threats because they usually wont change their attitude towards you and just keep asking for more and more until they get advanced enough to destroy you.
 
Every game I have played the Svartlafar have declared war on me .. and other civs as well too. They are often overmatched and seem to have a death wish. They will attack, get creamed, sue for peace, and declare war again when the 10-term peace treaty is up.

I've also had Lanun attack me quite a bit too.

I often play Einon-Logos/Elohim/Good.
 
My number one enemies are the Hippus led by Rhoanna, and -though not in the same sense- the Khazad led by Whoever.

Rhoanna *always* techs up enough, builds a force of raiders, then declares war on me and pillages all my improvements. No exceptions - not even good relations, a common enemy and half a world between us can save me!

The Khazad found the runes whenever I want to rush it. Usually one turn before or on the same turn - this obviously(?) forces me to go to war to raze all their cities and scorch all their lands, as well as to exterminate any other civs having good relations with them. (They're always randomed into any game where I want runes, of course.)

Three recent games have ended with Rhoanna backstabbing and killing or weakening me while my main forces were away killing dwarves...
 
Charadon almost almost always attack me early on (as expected). In a recent game with aggressive AI turned on, he actually walked through Rhoanna's borders attack me, even though I was playing Os-Gabella and had been playing nice with the Doviello. Fortunately, his attacks are normally weak and poorly executed, so it ends up being a good way to blood my troops a bit.

The real problem, at least when playing an evil civ, is Sabathiel. If I fall behind in the power ratings, he'll load up a huge army and come kick my butt. He tends to use a nice mix of troops in his stack (including assassins :mad: ) so unless I resort to relying on RoF, I'll lose a couple cities before I can drive him back.
 
I made the experience that your alignment (good/neutral/evil) and the alignment of your enemies is the best indicator of whether you'll get along with them. I don't want to single out any leader as backstabber as they may behave nicely you just weren't so damn evil yourself...

Btw: the battle odds are not influenced by your difficulty - if the odds are the same, you won't lose more battles at higher difficulties. And if you hate losing units with 75% battle odds, just keep in mind that it's perfectly normal to lose one out of four with these odds.
 
Varn Gosam, definatley. If you don't kiss up to him at every waking moment, he turns on you faster than a starving dog on a t-bone steak.

The Lanun are really devious. They almost never actually do anything war-wise though, they always just set me on edge, make me uneasy. Kind of like the Chinese in Vanilla.
 
Miloe said:
os gabella has issues too, she usually hates everyone wether they are good or evil. "you are only a man", what a disadvantage for the AI if the leader gets hostile against everyone who is only a human :crazyeye:
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Os Gabella has a diplomatic penalty with men (Varn Gosam, Tasunke, Charadon, etc.) and no such penalty with women (Aerendel Phaedra, Rhoanna, Alexis, etc.).
 
I hate Varn Gosam and Arendel Phaedra. They only pretend to be the good guys...
 
My hate for Varn goes deeper than words can describe. He is the most selfish leader ever. As an experiment I once gifted him all of my techs (I had a significant lead on him) then asked for one lowley tech i could research on my own in one turn, and he refused. what a dick!

Cardith annoys me to no end, he's not hard to get along with, but the neverending spamming of settlments is frustrating.

The vampires are actually pretty good allies as long as you don't let your power level fall too far. Them Bannor and Lucuirp are my favorite allies.

the elves are annoying too, but only because they're always insanely powerful, and any time I try to play as them I can't figure out how they do it.
 
Good Sauce said:
the elves are annoying too, but only because they're always insanely powerful, and any time I try to play as them I can't figure out how they do it.
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FoL, Druids, Ancient forest spam :assimilate:

I actually- when I get to that point in the game I can afford it- send a werewolf, druid and 3 (or more) workers and go through my cities one at a time using the wolf to pillage my own improvements on non-forest tiles, druid casts bloom and the workers re-build - then move on to the next tile. Obviously skip mines/ watermills/ flood plains.

Can easily get 30 pop cities if I let em grow. Lately I've been halting their growth when I run out of great prophet slots- as I try my hardest to train up prophets for the altar. I did find a cool new trick though- Archmage with domination and AI civs holding onto their prophets. Stole 2 that way :D Now if only the Calabim would only bring out a vampire or two for me to steal!
 
BCalchet said:
The Khazad found the runes whenever I want to rush it. Usually one turn before or on the same turn - this obviously(?) forces me to go to war to raze all their cities and scorch all their lands, as well as to exterminate any other civs having good relations with them. (They're always randomed into any game where I want runes, of course.)
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Sounds like someone is using the World Editor to put them in the game and give them a boost when you're not looking. Do you have any malicious roommates? ;)

- feydras
 
I've not yet found a leader that is my Isabella (HATE her. Any game of Vannila (Well, Warlords) that I play I send the Legions after her ASAP). Though I do think Rhoanna is the one most likely to take her place... But so far I have been lucky in that she always starts far away from me...
 
Falamar!; in any game that he appears in with me, he always pesters me aboot something or another. Always demanding gold and hitting on me...pshaw; Damn pirates. :gripe:
Hit and quit I tell ya.
 
I hate leaders like charadon, perpentach, and varn gosam.

Charadon and perpentach are war-crazy, and impossible to please (even if your evil!).

And varn gosam will hate your guts no matter what if your a different religion. I beileve the negative modifier for a different religion can go past -8! :eek:
 
Anyone with the raider trait - Mahala, Irin, Tasunke (they always make a bee-line for your workers when they cannot possibly see them! Aaargh!). I try to take the raiders out of the picture asap. Doviello you have to watch out for, prone to warlike skirmishes. The Calabim and Malakim are competition for the mid-late game, so I try to put them to the sword as well.
 
I'll chime in and include myself with the Varn Gosam haters. That elf must be on mushrooms always babbling about light and dark. Keep an eye on him because he and his Malakim cult of followers will turn on you in a second. It doesn't matter if you are the Bannor or Sheaim.
 
Personally I hate the Hippus. The raider horsemen really irk me. They do just what they are supposed to. Get in, pillage and get out.
 
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