Flower Class Corvette

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After looking around some, I couldn't find a corvette style ship, and I personally wanted one (That is why I make most of my stuff anyways).

So I found some blueprints and made myself (And you if you want it) and anti-submarine, WWII Flower Class that kept the sea lanes open so the UK wouldn't starve and get more weapons and stuff. 255 of this class were built.

http://uboat.net/allies/warships/types.html?type=Corvette

It was quite cheap to produce, could turn as fast as a sub, and packed as much anti-sub stuff as a destroyer. But quite weak against surface vessels I'd assume.

I am planning on using maybe 14 pwr, +%150 vs subs..
I haven't a pic from the game, (but I did try it), but here is a render..

Uses the Destroyers animations..

On request from C. Roland I lightened the ship up some. It is corvette-lighter.zip.

I haven't tested it in game as Civ 4 is not on this PC, but it should be lighter..
Tell me if you test it please.

Edit 02-05-2007 : Uploaded the lighter version to the database.

I only wish Subs were actually useful for something... subs are not really anti-warship weapons. Certainly they can sink warships, but they're definitely much more effective against commerce. Unfortunately there's no way in game currently to simulate sea trade and stopping it.

It looks like a good unit though

Good to see the collection of modern ships is getting larger.

Another must have for the collection

Dom Pedro II said:

I only wish Subs were actually useful for something... subs are not really anti-warship weapons. Certainly they can sink warships, but they're definitely much more effective against commerce. Unfortunately there's no way in game currently to simulate sea trade and stopping it.

It looks like a good unit though

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I am thinking of giving them a bonus vs Battleships, and a lot better chance at running away from them if I can manage it.. Same with carriers. As neither had onboard equipment to track them once they dived.

Maybe make the subs a little cheaper to..

Though, yah, that is right, it is almost useless, but again, I made it for the fun of it.

Edit: Just had a though about that.. Maybe if you sit a sub outside a city it would take away 1 trade route per sub that is accessible only by water (And you put airports much later, or make them m a little more expensive).

Good to see the collection of modern ships is getting larger.

Another must have for the collection

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Thanks.

GeneralMatt said:

I am thinking of giving them a bonus vs Battleships, and a lot better chance at running away from them if I can manage it.. Same with carriers. As neither had onboard equipment to track them once they dived.

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Now you've got me thinking... maybe something that should be added is +X% withdrawal chance vs. Unit Class. It wouldn't increase its chance of winning a battle but just increase its ability to attack and live to fight another day.

I'd still like to have a real trade system that subs could play a critical role in to wage economic warfare on an enemy. Of course, I'm dead set against actual merchant ships spawning and going from city to city for the duration of the game unless its in a scenario. Otherwise they'll just clutter up the map.

Dom Pedro II said:

Now you've got me thinking... maybe something that should be added is +X% withdrawal chance vs. Unit Class. It wouldn't increase its chance of winning a battle but just increase its ability to attack and live to fight another day.

I'd still like to have a real trade system that subs could play a critical role in to wage economic warfare on an enemy. Of course, I'm dead set against actual merchant ships spawning and going from city to city for the duration of the game unless its in a scenario. Otherwise they'll just clutter up the map.

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Hmm, yeah, that was my thoughts kind of. Maybe they also could get an automatic 1st strike vs Battleships..

Why I was thinking the bonus vs subs is that I basically want the corvettes and destroyers in the stack defending vs subs before say the Battleship. As that was the destroyers/corvettes jobs, and they had the right equipment to fight it effectively. So then maybe I should just give the destroyers/corvettes bigger bonus vs subs, but then there would be no chance at all as they would have to be over 40 pwr, and that would be unrealistic..

Nice looking ship. Can't wait for an ingame action shot sinking a sub.

Thank you - it's going to ww2 1939 mod

GeneralMatt said:

Hmm, yeah, that was my thoughts kind of. Maybe they also could get an automatic 1st strike vs Battleships..

Why I was thinking the bonus vs subs is that I basically want the corvettes and destroyers in the stack defending vs subs before say the Battleship. As that was the destroyers/corvettes jobs, and they had the right equipment to fight it effectively. So then maybe I should just give the destroyers/corvettes bigger bonus vs subs, but then there would be no chance at all as they would have to be over 40 pwr, and that would be unrealistic..

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So yeah, it seems like an Extra Withdrawal vs. Unit Class and Extra First Strike vs. Unit Class would be good additions to the UnitInfos... although they should perhaps be added to the Promotions instead. I like promotions the most since they give a lot more flexibility.

So you could have it so that Subs would get maybe a base 20% withdrawal chance and +1 First Strike... then you could give them +60% Withdrawal vs. Battleships & Carriers and +1 First Strike vs. Battleships and Carriers... Destroyers, on the other hand, would get a combat bonus vs. subs and they would also be able to see subs too.

So the bonus for destroyers (and corvettes) then would not only be the bonus they get against subs, but also the bonuses the sub wouldn't get against destroyers.

Nice little ship.

Nice one, good model ! You should only redo the skin of the white turret, it's too plain.

woodelf said:

Nice looking ship. Can't wait for an ingame action shot sinking a sub.

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I'll get one just for you. Unfortunatley it is on a different PC, so it will take a few minutes..

Edit: There got you a picie.
To all: May be a little dark, I can fix that of you all think so, I (late last night ) though it looked a bit better darker. The scale is 0.7, so tell me what you think of the size..

asioasioasio said:

Thank you - it's going to ww2 1939 mod

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Cool. Hope it works fine for you. I can make a better skin if you want.

Dom Pedro II said:

So yeah, it seems like an Extra Withdrawal vs. Unit Class and Extra First Strike vs. Unit Class would be good additions to the UnitInfos... although they should perhaps be added to the Promotions instead. I like promotions the most since they give a lot more flexibility.

So you could have it so that Subs would get maybe a base 20% withdrawal chance and +1 First Strike... then you could give them +60% Withdrawal vs. Battleships & Carriers and +1 First Strike vs. Battleships and Carriers... Destroyers, on the other hand, would get a combat bonus vs. subs and they would also be able to see subs too.

So the bonus for destroyers (and corvettes) then would not only be the bonus they get against subs, but also the bonuses the sub wouldn't get against destroyers.

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Yeah, I agree totally with that. Atm, I have the subs get a first strike and destroyers just ignore first strikes (What else get them at the moment anyways?)
So you really would get more bang for your buck with subs.. unless they build corvettes or destroyers.

I too like promotions, but either way I think subs should start with a bonus vs battleships and carriers as the whole reason for that bonus is because they start submerged. And a totally raw submarine crew that is going our to battle should at least know how to submerge the thing, and even maybe fire the weapons.

I think also that corvettes should be a little more powerful than destroyers vs subs, as they could follow the subs as they twisted and turned to try to escape the sonar or whatever it was back then. And that they are dirt cheap.. But then they should only be able to have a %75 chance at beating ironclads, as they had a machine gun, and one smallish gun, nothing like a battleship, or even a destroyer.

Chamaedrys said:

Nice little ship.

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Thanks you.

C.Roland said:

Nice one, good model ! You should only redo the skin of the white turret, it's too plain.

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That is a good idea.. I could not find a lot of pictures that had a view were I could see what it looked like.. Does anyone have any ideas what a turret would be like? Would it have handles, or hatches (and where would that be) etc..

GeneralMatt said:

I too like promotions, but either way I think subs should start with a bonus vs battleships and carriers as the whole reason for that bonus is because they start submerged. And a totally raw submarine crew that is going our to battle should at least know how to submerge the thing, and even maybe fire the weapons.

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I think you're asking for a lot

I think also that corvettes should be a little more powerful than destroyers vs subs, as they could follow the subs as they twisted and turned to try to escape the sonar or whatever it was back then. And that they are dirt cheap.. But then they should only be able to have a %75 chance at beating ironclads, as they had a machine gun, and one smallish gun, nothing like a battleship, or even a destroyer.

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So basically, Destroyer beats Corvette, Corvette or Destroyer beats Sub.

Dom Pedro II said:

I think you're asking for a lot

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So basically, Destroyer beats Corvette, Corvette or Destroyer beats Sub.

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Yeah, and Battleships beat Destroyers and don't even notice corvettes when they run over them..

So basically corvettes provide a cheap alternative to sub hunting, but you would want to take along a destroyer or battleship to defend from surface ships.

The problem lies in getting the AI to build subs. When testing the corvette I place on of all the ships I added in my game to the thing to show my little brothers. Then for the fun of it, I added maybe 15 subs to the enemy. Boy were they good! They took down almost all my ships except those that out teched them, and the destroyers. As a consequence I added +2 power to the corvette. But they even teamed up on me to sink me! It was quite amazing. But they problem is in getting them to build subs.. Which maybe they will as I have boosted them up as we have been discussing some, and maybe making them a tad cheaper would work to..

hi there,

i was wondering if you would be interested in making a paddlewheeler. i couldn't find any good pictures, but something along the lines of this.

cotdamn said:

hi there,

i was wondering if you would be interested in making a paddlewheeler. i couldn't find any good pictures, but something along the lines of this.

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I'd love to! I was thinking of doing one anyways..

Give me a few days though. I cannot guarantee that the sidewheels will be animated though, as there is no ship In civ 4 that uses that kind of animation..

Admiral Matt,

A sweet addition in your fleet-your skill grows each day and i feel very happy for this.!
Regarding the submarine yes,i expected also to be a little stronger,however i have change it its strength,i have gave it 3 first srtikes chances,and withdrwal 60%.I have added extra bonus attack against it for the destroyer.
Once again,thanks!

GeneralMatt said:

I'd love to! I was thinking of doing one anyways..

Give me a few days though. I cannot guarantee that the sidewheels will be animated though, as there is no ship In civ 4 that uses that kind of animation..

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the propellers of the ships aren't animated, too

@makrisgialos:

I have a problem with civ4 naval warfare: after a unit has won a battle it is always so badly damaged that it get easily sunk the next turn. I thought about a "repair"-promotion or so. What do you think?

GeneralMatt said:

Cool. Hope it works fine for you. I can make a better skin if you want.

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Thx - It looks nice in game so it isn't needed (unless if you want to improve somethng, but it's not necessary imo)

Do you think you could make this submarine - Sen Toku I-400? It was capable to carry planes.
http://ochevidec.net/content/story5/100/1.jpg
http://www.subart.net/I400_sen_toku_small.jpg
http://www.24flotilla.com/ODSH/historia/h-articulos/imagenes/japo11.gif
http://images.google.pl/imgres?imgu...nt=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:pl:official&sa=N
http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~pitroad/w/w48.JPG
If yes i could search for some blueprints

makrisgialos said:

Admiral Matt,

A sweet addition in your fleet-your skill grows each day and i feel very happy for this.!
Regarding the submarine yes,i expected also to be a little stronger,however i have change it its strength,i have gave it 3 first srtikes chances,and withdrwal 60%.I have added extra bonus attack against it for the destroyer.
Once again,thanks!

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Thanks.

I have subs with something like 100 vs battleships in both attacking and defending.
Same with cruiser (Something I have added).

Chamaedrys said:

the propellers of the ships aren't animated, too

@makrisgialos:

I have a problem with civ4 naval warfare: after a unit has won a battle it is always so badly damaged that it get easily sunk the next turn. I thought about a "repair"-promotion or so. What do you think?

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A repir promotion would be cool. Something Dom Pedro mentioned about promotions got me thinking. A 'Depth harge' Promotion, req combat 1 and give %100 vs subs. And Corvettes/destroyers start with it. That way you can arm any of your ships with it, but you wouldnt get an OP corvette or something..

asioasioasio said:

Thx - It looks nice in game so it isn't needed (unless if you want to improve somethng, but it's not necessary imo)

Do you think you could make this submarine - Sen Toku I-400? It was capable to carry planes.
http://ochevidec.net/content/story5/100/1.jpg
http://www.subart.net/I400_sen_toku_small.jpg
http://www.24flotilla.com/ODSH/historia/h-articulos/imagenes/japo11.gif
http://images.google.pl/imgres?imgu...nt=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:pl:official&sa=N
http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~pitroad/w/w48.JPG
If yes i could search for some blueprints

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Sure, I will give it a shot! I am almost done skinning the paddlewheeler, took a break yesterday to add a tonne of new ships into Civ 4.
Instead of just one battleship, I have 5 ranging from the turreted one I made up to a modern one.. And then cruisers equivalent to that, a galleas, a war galleon, a SotL, a Nuke sub, and a few other ships I hav dl'ed here..


But if you could find blueprints, that would be great, though not vital..
It may take a few days as a family frien is coming up till saturday, but I have nightime to do stuff.

Cool looking sub btw.