I, for one, welcome our new Dutch overlords

IbnKhaldun

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Is anyone else pumped about The Dutch being in BtS? I have only a smattering of knowledge about their 17th century "golden age" but, I must admit, it is rather impressive! This nation stands for so much of what I love about Liberal societies: toleration of religious dissent, freedom in the development of the arts, a rich and open intellectual dialog and the Netherlands served as the launching place of Europeon capitalism. A perfect addition to Civ I think!
William van Oranje seems like a potential new tech powerhouse as well! As a professed builder, the Financial / Creative combo suits me very well. Plus look at that sexy beard!
While the raw advantages of the Financial trait don't need to be stated, the synergy of cottaged river tiles in cities with dikes is incredible. While the Financial trait makes early river cottages immediately advantageous from the +1 :commerce: bonus, the +1 water :hammers: from Dikes is an insane river mouth / coast combo! My games will be a certain rush for Printing Press (+1 :commerce:), Liberalism (+ 100% :culture: and + 2 commerce: from Free Speech) and Democracy (+1 :hammers: from Universal Suffrage and DOUBLE GROWTH from Emancipation). I can see it now, never ending fields of beautiful Dutch towns covering the rivers of the world...
I have "come around" on the Creative trait. While I initially pigeon holed Creative as being only good for quick border pops, the cheap Libraries (+25% :science:) will do much to initiate and exacerbate a technology lead. Though I rarely build them outside of Culture victories, the cheap Theaters could lend themselves to such victories as well as quell any :mad: problems. Additionally not having to worry about border pops will allow William to prioritize more important financial techs above religious ones. Essentially I see this as being a way to quickly follow the ["Pottery" -> "Writing" -> "Mathematics" -> "Currency"] path whilst ignoring the ["Mysticism" -> "Meditation" and "Polytheism"] nonsense.
The East Indiaman (replaces Galleon, +2 :strength: and one extra cargo space, can also explore rival territory) does not catch my attention immediately but I think it still has some potent areas of application. Obviously if you are landlocked, the East Indiaman will not do you a lot of good. However, if you do have access to one or two port cities I think they can be effective... especially if you prioritize Astronomy. The strength boost is non-trivial in protecting :traderoute:s and the units being carried. Additionally the Indiaman's ability to transport more cargo to less accessible areas makes early colonies a very profitable and feasible venture.
In the right situation, the Dike (replaces Levee, +1 :hammers: to water tiles) is flat out broken. I will be planning cities for marshy locations in anticipation of building dikes later and appropriately heading towards Steam Power ASAP. Dikes rock my world, 'nuff said.
 
My first game will be under the Dutch flag. I can't wait to see their economic power brought to bear on the new spy system.


I think they are the replacement for Mansa. IbnKhaldun you may need to change your avatar.
 
Love the Dutch in the game and love the Netherlands as a country ( and Belgium ) .In fact I'm sailing over there in a few months on the Pride of Rotterdam from Hull.
 
Het Neederlands vas heerljkt!
did you want to say something in Dutch? :lol:

I will certainly enjoy playing as the Dutch, but I will just as much enjoy defeating them :D
I watched some of the preview movies, and there was one were you could here the Dutch units speaking Dutch. A pretty strange experience ;)
 
The Netherlands look like a lot of fun. Also, I really liked the Dutch speaking and the Dutch flag. :D
 
Shouldn't Dutch windmills get a bonus too?:mischief:
 
Love the openingspost, all the images make it a rather nice read :)

Although I'm not a creative trait person, the Dutch do look interesting. And I'm quite happy they *don't* have the swiss pikeman this time around :)

And units speaking Dutch must be...strange...

But, as somebody above me said: I'm going to enjoy destroying the Dutch as much as playing them :)
 
Actually, there's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures..... and the Dutch.
 
In that spirit, Dutch spies shall receive a penalty for wearing wooden clogs. :lol:

Jokes. :)

:lol: :lol:

That was hilarious.. I could just picture it now..

Also, the welcoming the Dutch overlords; nice take on Kent Brockman and the insect overlords! :D

Anyway, I'm excited to see the Dutch make an appearance, I'm looking forward to see if I can mod an actual beard for Willem van Oranje (though there's no hurry) and I'm really very happy with the Eastindiaman.. So much better than that damned Swiss Pikeman.. Who came up with that idea?

By the way, those videos with Dutch speaking units, does anyone have a link? I've seen a few videos, but I don't think I noticed it..
 
Actually, there's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures..... and the Dutch.

Ouch Ramesses... are you talking about the Dutch swarming over Europe ,during the holidays, in their trailers filled with food from home and ordering one drink with 4 straws for the whole family :lol:
 
I really miss creative-financial. I never played Cathy in vanilla because I thought she was overpowered :lol: But I've given up on seeing civs as op. I just try to win earlier if I think I'm playing as a strong civ.

I really like the idea of beelining pottery-hereditary rule-civil service (via currency and col)-liberalism-democracy (via printing press of course).

The extra hammer output for river/coastal tiles is the MAIN THING I'm looking forward to it BtS. I think it's gonna rock so hard :D I HATE coastal tiles currently, especially non-financial ones.

I just look forward to being able to do a hardcore cottage-spam with the Dutch. It's gonna rock pretty hard imo.
 
Ouch Ramesses... are you talking about the Dutch swarming over Europe ,during the holidays, in their trailers filled with food from home and ordering one drink with 4 straws for the whole family :lol:

Actually Ramesses3000 was quoting Austin Powers' father, who says that line in Austin Powers: Goldmember.. Very funny.. But even funnier is the fact that Dr. Evil is Belgian! :lol:
 
Actually Ramesses3000 was quoting Austin Powers' father, who says that line in Austin Powers: Goldmember.. Very funny.. But even funnier is the fact that Dr. Evil is Belgian! :lol:

Ofcourse Dr. Evil is Belgian.
In which other country such an intelligent, well-mannered, loving parent, could have been born? :D

But I admit humble, my first BTS game will be as the Dutch :king:
 
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