Civ 4 civilization request plz

Otaktay

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Pine Ridge Indian Reservation
Can someone please make me a civilization of the Tonto Apaches, Ho-Chuck(winnibago) and Arapaho tribes please. I been looking everywhere and noone has it nor do I know how too :( if u can I would be much pleased. by the way I am new here and I like what civ 1994 did for the Sioux:) thats the tribe I come from, another leader for that tribe should be Chief Red Cloud, American Horse and Rain-In-Face because they did so much for the tribe and they were also chiefs at one time:)
 
Ok sorrry...anyways yeah sure...

Tonto Apache Leaders-Chief Delshay Chief Mangas Coloradas
Ho-Chuck-Winnibago-Chief Waukon Decorah Yellow Thunder
Arapaho-Scabby Bull

The history of the Tonto Apaches


Courtesy photo

A Tonto Apache man stands by his gowa, the name for family home. Chief Delshay brought his band to Camp Reno and seek a reservation and while there, they set up temporary houses.

In October 1866, a dramatic event occurred at Fort McDowell. The most formidable of the Tonto Apache chiefs presented himself. His name was Del-che-ae, and accompanying him was his band of 100 warriors, 40 women and 60 children.

The women and children were a sign he wanted peace. He also brought several headmen and their bands.

His name was similar to the name by which the Tontos called themselves, De-he'ch-ahe. Del-che-ae, which translates Red Ant, was a young chief of considerable influence among the Tonto and Yavapai bands. His name is spelled many ways, but when Americans referred to him, they simply spelled it Delshay.

The long winter stretched ahead, many of the food stores of his people had been destroyed. The young chief knew he must seek help.

Delshay emerged very suddenly to the white-eyes, like a thundercloud that erupts with a change in the wind. He would be the one who did not yield, though what we know of him must come from the record of his white enemies since his own people did not write. They told stories, and Delshay lived in those stories told around campfires until campfires gave way to gas stoves and the stories were heard no more. The elders took most of their history to the grave. Today their children's children are seldom taught to speak their native language, but these latter day Tontos would be proud of Del-che-ae, The Red Ant.

Perhaps he was named for a hill of red ants at the place he was born. Perhaps it was the stinging bite of his fighting spirit that gave him the name. Perhaps the name pointed to his special power to lead and to work hard, a power he gained when he passed from childhood to manhood. Whatever the reason, his name enabled the Tonto Apaches to hold their heads high during the decade of the 1860s. Delshay became the cause of chilling fear among the white soldiers.

He was born in the Mazatzal mountains between 1835 to 1840, but his stronghold was in the Sierra Ancha. After a mortal encounter with a white man, he took a pearl shirt-stud from the victim and wore it in his left ear. This made him very distinguishable to the U.S. military.

When he appeared at Fort McDowell asking to discuss an alliance he showed that he had little understanding of America's military organization. He seemed to think the troops that had attacked him in his stronghold were from another military post. Indeed, one cavalry unit from Camp Grant had attacked. The Tonto chief apparently believed the various army camps were separate armies. He assumed they were hostile to each other, as Indian bands often were. Del-che-ae sought to enlist the troops from McDowell to join him in war against the troops from Camp Grant, and he offered to bring 300 more warriors to add to the 100 he had with him for an attack on Camp Grant. We can only assume the laughter this caused the garrison, and the humiliation Del-che-ae must have felt at discovering how wrong he was.

In spite of the chief's misunderstanding, commander Capt. George Sanford explored with him the idea of a reservation along the Salt River. Sanford had no authority to make such an arrangement, and the rations at McDowell were too low to feed this influx of Tontos. After about a week in camp, someone spread word that the Pimas were coming up from their villages to attack the Tontos, so Del-che-ae and his party disappeared into the darkness.

By this time the enlistment of the Pima and Maricopa companies of Arizona Volunteers had expired. Sanford knew his soldiers could not track and surprise the Tontos without the help of Indian scouts, so he requested and received authority to enlist as many as 100 of the desert Indians.

The former companies of Pima and Maricopa scouts were quick to seize the opportunity, and became attached to the regular troops at Fort McDowell. They wore the red flannel bands on their heads to distinguish them, and these headbands quickly became the proud symbol of the Indian scouts. Their chiefs, Azul of the Pimas and Chivaria of the Maricopas, were poised and eager for action against the Tontos. They were given a guarantee that they could do it in their own manner and on their own time while they continued to live in their villages.

Near the end of October an army expedition set out to seek the site for an outpost in Tonto territory. They followed the now-familiar route over the mountains and into the Tonto Basin where they picked up an Apache trail. It led them to a rancheria deep in the Sierra Ancha, probably on Spring Creek. The ensuing attack netted six Tontos killed, five prisoners and two horses.

Capt. Sanford reported that this was a large and permanent village in an almost inaccessible canyon, "with a very large amount of winter stores... Among the articles found were two tin canteens, such as are issued by government, a portion of an English copy of the New Testament, some mail straps and pieces of a saddle, a gun lock and brass plates belonging to a gun, and baskets such as are used for carrying grain etc, in great numbers. They had a great abundance of seeds, nuts, acorns, buckskins, serapes, and other articles used by the Indians, and the destruction of these just as winter is setting in will be a great blow to them."


The Arapaho (in French: Gens de Vache) tribe of Native Americans historically living on the eastern plains of Colorado and Wyoming. They were close allies of the Cheyenne tribe and loosely aligned with the Sioux. Arapaho is an Algonquian language closely related to Gros Ventre, who are seen as an early offshoot of the Arapaho. Blackfoot and Cheyenne are the other Algonquian languages on the Plains, but are quite different from Arapaho. By the 1850s, Arapaho bands separated into two tribes: the Northern Arapaho and Southern Arapaho. The Northern Arapaho Nation has lived since 1878, with the Eastern Shoshone on the Wind River Reservation, the third largest reservation in the United States. The Southern Arapaho Tribe lives with the Southern Cheyenne in Oklahoma.

Ho-Chunk or Winnebago (as they are commonly called) are a tribe of Native Americans, native to what are now Wisconsin and Illinois. The term "Winnebago" originally came from a name given to them by neighbouring Algonquian tribes, which meant something like "people of the stagnant water" (c.f. Ojibwe: Wiinibiigoo), though the exact translation is disputed. The French called them the Puans, translated into English as "Stinkards", based on the information given by rival groups of natives. The more correct, but less common English name for the tribe is "Ho-Chunk", from their original native name Hotcâŋgara, meaning "big fish people" (Radin 1990 p.5). The big fish in this case is probably sturgeon, once abundant in Lake Winnebago. .

also whats a UU and UB? I am kinda ******ed when it comes to these things.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arapaho<<that has info on Arapahos. I know instead of having normal warriors they have dog soilders who would be all painted and wearing feathered clothes they were kinda what u would say "suicide bombers" because they would have little defends buts there attack could take out 7 before they would die.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho-Chunk <--thats info on winnebagos. instead of building barracks they would build War Teepees that would train warriors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache <---info on apaches. much of what i understood about Tonto Apaches they were raiders...they would build wikiup.

I am sorry for lack of help on this issue:(
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipi <---Ho-Chuck and Arapaho used these.

Also as a tech and "relegion if u can add this then u should Add Ghost Dance Movement for the Arapaho, Sioux, and Ho-Chuck

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Dance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Spirituality_Movements

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pow-wow

Also Sioux Arapaho and ho-chuck has a Medicine Man called Wicasa Wakan meaning Spirit Man. It should be a Unit like explorer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakan_Tanka

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho-Chunk_mythology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_mythology

hope this helps..
 
Arapaho:
1. Scabby Bull (Spi, Org)
UU: Dog Solider
UB:
Hunting & Agriculture

Ho-Chuck:
1. Chief Waukon-Decorah (Cre, Org)
2. Yellow Thunder (Spi, Exp)
UU: Wicasa Wakan
UB: War tipi
Fishing & Hunting

Apache:
1. Chief Delshay (Phi, Fin)
2. Chief Mangas Coloradas (Exp, Cre)
UU: War Scout
UB: Wikiup
Mysticism & Hunting
 
you got the leaders mixed up.

Arapaho:
1. Scabby Bull
UU: Dog Solider
UB:

Ho-Chuck:
1. Chief Waukon-Decorah
2. Yellow Thunder
UU:
UB: War tipi(is proper spelling)

Apache:
1.Chief Delshay
2. Chief Mangas Coloradas
UU: Apache War Scout
UB:Wikiup (instead of barracks)


Well the wikipedia has alot of useful information for the 3 tribes earlier in the text I added the links to them, they could give u more info of what to look for. also they have pics of the people and other things like that. I have older pics of some apache info but i have no scanner and they belong to my gf who is Apache lol. but Just message me wit exactly nething useful and I will see what I can do. thank you so much for your help.
 
Arapaho
Colors: should be black or red.
Start off with hunting,agriculture
Scrappy Bull:
Traits:spiritual, organized

Apache:
Colors:white or orange
Start with:mystism and hunting
Chief Delshay:
Qoute: &#8220;I do not want to run over the mountains anymore. I want to make a big treaty.....I will make a peace that will last; I will keep my word until the stones melt. I can do nothing more, for God made the white man and God made the Apache, and the Apache has just as much right to the country as the white man. I want to make a treaty that will last, so that both can travel over the country and have no trouble.&#8221; &#8212;Chief Delshay
traits: philosophical, financial
Mangas Coloradas:
Traits:Expansive, Creative

Ho-Chuck:
Colors:purple or Grey
Start with:Fishing, Hunting
Chief Waukon-Decorah:creative,organized
Yellow Thunder:Spritiual, Expansive
 
Your welcome :) also do u want me to look for qoutes on them? I can try to find some actual qoutes used by them :)
 
Ok I will look for some, Its hard to really find anything on Scrappy Bull. But I might find something on him eventually. I could probably find another leader for the Arapaho. I seen a few for Ho-Chuck and Apache but I by-passed it lol.
 
Arapaho
Scrappy Bull Qoutes:
"Before eating, always take a little time to thank the food."
"When we show our respect for other living things, they respond with respect for us."
"Inside of me there are two dogs. One of the dogs is mean and evil. The other dog is good. The mean dog fights the good dog, all of the time."
"May the stars carry your sadness away,
May the flowers fill your heart with beauty,
May hope forever wipe away your tears,
And, above all, may silence make you strong."
"Certain things catch your eye,
But pursue only those
that capture your heart."

Ho-chuck:
Chief Waukon-Decorah
"You speak with a fork tongue"
"A man doesn't go to a mountian for water, nor does a man go to a white man for truth"

Its hard finding qoutes on them lol.
 
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