What should the pace of play be?

DaveShack · Jul 10, 2007, 12:53 AM

How fast do you want the game to progress? This might be turns/week, number of days between play sessions, or any other metric you might want to suggest. Open discussion for a while, then we'll see what we need to change in how we're doing things, if anything.

Methos · Jul 10, 2007, 01:27 AM

I'd say at least once every five days at minimum, with a preference of four. TC's are getting more involved, so every three days is probably pushing it.

BTW, I plan on playing on Thursday, though I was unsure how the special session would affect that.

Provolution · Jul 10, 2007, 03:06 AM

This very thursday Methos? You want me to poll the military moves?

Strider · Jul 10, 2007, 07:15 AM

I agree with methos. Play a turnchat every 5 days. If we feel the game is going to slowly.. we can always play more turns during that turnchat.

Provolution · Jul 10, 2007, 07:36 AM

One thing that is certain, is that if the most tenacious Judicial types and the most tenacious citizen input types keep up the pace in delaying turnchats for several reasons, we will not come far in general. For my own sake, I may well quit this and go solo with BTS following the end of my term, which coincides with the release of BTS. I am not to keen on legal wrangling and bickering over petty polls and principles much longer.

ori · Jul 10, 2007, 08:12 AM

I think that 3 days for discussion and polling in matters that depend on the outcome of another Turnchat (like the war objectives poll currently under way) is too short - it basically reduces discussion to a few hours. Give it 4-5 days with aiming at 4 and all should be fine - more days and those natives get restless again

dutchfire · Jul 10, 2007, 08:15 AM

4-5 days/turnchat sounds good to me.

Provolution · Jul 10, 2007, 09:47 AM

Shortening the polls going from 3 to 2 days would make sense, and create more focus on the poll itself, making them run for 3 days would be too long.

That saved day could be used for fruitful discussions and sharpening the mock poll.

Methos · Jul 10, 2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Provolution

Shortening the polls going from 3 to 2 days would make sense,

I can't remember off-hand, but doesn't our Constitution state we must make polls no less than three days or seventy-two hours? Or am I remembering wrong?

Provolution · Jul 10, 2007, 10:22 AM

Yes, and we can change the constitution with 2/3 or 3/4 polls.

Methos · Jul 10, 2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Provolution

This very thursday Methos?

Since we'll be playing the special session tomorrow, I'll put off my TC until Friday instead. This way we'll have two days in between the session and TC to decide on our plans. That should be enough time, but if it isn't, I'm willing to push it back. For now, we'll say Friday.

dutchfire · Jul 10, 2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Methos

I can't remember off-hand, but doesn't our Constitution state we must make polls no less than three days or seventy-two hours? Or am I remembering wrong?

I believe it's 2 days minimum, 3 days advised.

Provolution · Jul 10, 2007, 10:54 AM

Then we should apply the 2 day to save time, and be more proactive and strong on the mock polls in the discussion threads.

ori · Jul 10, 2007, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Provolution

Yes, and we can change the constitution with 2/3 or 3/4 polls.

3/5

Quote:

Originally Posted by dutchfire

I believe it's 2 days minimum, 3 days advised.

The constitution does not say anything about polling (apart from how to poll a constitutional ammendment). We effectively do not have any rules on polls - this is all in the air and until now up to the Judiciary. You *could* post a poll that runs for 1 day and it would be a binding initiative unless invalidated by the Judiciary - I would not encourage such polls though, since they have a strong air of unfairness...

Provolution · Jul 10, 2007, 11:21 AM

I think 2 days is a fine length to though, otherwise people prefer discussions in the polls, and not in the discussion threads. All the action should take place in the discussions, not to focus on tweaking people polling.

dutchfire · Jul 10, 2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ori

3/5

The constitution does not say anything about polling (apart from how to poll a constitutional ammendment). We effectively do not have any rules on polls - this is all in the air and until now up to the Judiciary. You *could* post a poll that runs for 1 day and it would be a binding initiative unless invalidated by the Judiciary - I would not encourage such polls though, since they have a strong air of unfairness...

I'm fairly sure we have an initiative about this that has been approved

ori · Jul 10, 2007, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dutchfire

I'm fairly sure we have an initiative about this that has been approved

Nope, we have three approved Initiatives on polling:
Poll Invalidation Act
Binding Plurality Act
The Status of Abstain

that's it - no other passed rules on polling - what you are talking about is the Polling Act Initiative which we never voted on. That Initiative requires a minimum of 2 days duration...

dutchfire · Jul 10, 2007, 11:36 AM

Okay, thanks for figuring that out

Another reason to get the Polling Act ratified ASAP.

Provolution · Jul 10, 2007, 11:38 AM

I think 2 days should be the norm, to manage to get discussions, mock poll, polls and instructions done well within 5 days between turnchats.

Jul 10, 2007, 12:53 AM	#1
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Methos HoF Quattromaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 11,390 Images: 34	I'd say at least once every five days at minimum, with a preference of four. TC's are getting more involved, so every three days is probably pushing it. BTW, I plan on playing on Thursday, though I was unsure how the special session would affect that. __________________ *Hall of Fame:* Forums, Rules, FAQ, Tables, HOF Email: hof.civfanatics@gmail.com

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Jul 10, 2007, 07:15 AM	#4
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Jul 10, 2007, 07:36 AM	#5
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	One thing that is certain, is that if the most tenacious Judicial types and the most tenacious citizen input types keep up the pace in delaying turnchats for several reasons, we will not come far in general. For my own sake, I may well quit this and go solo with BTS following the end of my term, which coincides with the release of BTS. I am not to keen on legal wrangling and bickering over petty polls and principles much longer. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Jul 10, 2007, 08:12 AM	#6
ori Repair Guy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 13,174	I think that 3 days for discussion and polling in matters that depend on the outcome of another Turnchat (like the war objectives poll currently under way) is too short - it basically reduces discussion to a few hours. Give it 4-5 days with aiming at 4 and all should be fine - more days and those natives get restless again __________________ AI Leaders Personality Matrix (Vanilla/Warlords/BtS) \| AI Attitude Explained \| BtS Random Events \| Culture Calculator (Vanilla/Warlords/BtS)

Jul 10, 2007, 08:15 AM	#7
dutchfire - Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,186	4-5 days/turnchat sounds good to me. __________________ "If only the Netherlands were in Hell! At least it's warm and generally dry there." David Černý in the statement accompanying Entropa

Jul 10, 2007, 09:47 AM	#8
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	Shortening the polls going from 3 to 2 days would make sense, and create more focus on the poll itself, making them run for 3 days would be too long. That saved day could be used for fruitful discussions and sharpening the mock poll. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Jul 10, 2007, 10:22 AM	#10
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	Yes, and we can change the constitution with 2/3 or 3/4 polls. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Jul 10, 2007, 10:54 AM	#13
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	Then we should apply the 2 day to save time, and be more proactive and strong on the mock polls in the discussion threads. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Jul 10, 2007, 11:21 AM	#15
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	I think 2 days is a fine length to though, otherwise people prefer discussions in the polls, and not in the discussion threads. All the action should take place in the discussions, not to focus on tweaking people polling. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Jul 10, 2007, 11:36 AM	#18
dutchfire - Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,186	Okay, thanks for figuring that out Another reason to get the Polling Act ratified ASAP. __________________ "If only the Netherlands were in Hell! At least it's warm and generally dry there." David Černý in the statement accompanying Entropa

Jul 10, 2007, 11:38 AM	#19
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	I think 2 days should be the norm, to manage to get discussions, mock poll, polls and instructions done well within 5 days between turnchats. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

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