Where do the new leaders fit into the Aggression Levels chart?

Want to give this thread a bump..are any of the new leaders overly aggressive?
 
That aggression chart isn't completely accurate. I've been backstabbed by leaders with a '0% chance' of that happening.
 
Quote from Blake's post

"A 0% of dogpiling does not mean a 0% of him dogpiling you - it'll just be a total war rather than a dogpile war - however 0% at pleased DOES mean a 0% chance of declaring war - it wont happen unless the AI decided to declare before becoming pleased"

I'm not saying that I know this chart is 100% accurate, but I think you may have not bothered to read the entire post, besides just making assumptions from looking at the chart.

EDIT: by dogpiling, I believe Blake meant backstab

Its a great chart, and I would like to see it updated for BtS..
 
Quote from Blake's post

"A 0% of dogpiling does not mean a 0% of him dogpiling you - it'll just be a total war rather than a dogpile war - however 0% at pleased DOES mean a 0% chance of declaring war - it wont happen unless the AI decided to declare before becoming pleased"

I'm not saying that I know this chart is 100% accurate, but I think you may have not bothered to read the entire post, besides just making assumptions from looking at the chart.

EDIT: by dogpiling, I believe Blake meant backstab

Its a great chart, and I would like to see it updated for BtS..

If that's the case then Asoka was preparing a helluva long time to declare war on me. I hate that Indian fairy queen.:mad:
 
From my limited experience so far, Boudica is a whackjob. She's declared war on three separate civilizations during my game, and extensive espionage efforts in her cities have revealed a ridiculous amount of units fortified in her cities. :eek:
 
The Ethiopian Leader whose name escapes me right now it pretty aggressive.

And maybe there are personal experience discrepencies, but Wang Kon seems much more aggressive than they make him out to be on the chart,
 
From my limited experience so far, Boudica is a whackjob. She's declared war on three separate civilizations during my game, and extensive espionage efforts in her cities have revealed a ridiculous amount of units fortified in her cities. :eek:

Why am I not surprised? :mischief:
 
I don't know how Blake calculated the war and backstab columns, but I do have the training units stats for the new leaders:
35% - Justinian I & Sitting Bull
30% - Boudica, Charlemagne, Darius, Gilgamesh, Hammurabi, Suleiman, Suryavarman, Zara Yaqob
25% - de Gaulle, Joao II, Pacal II, Pericles, van Oranje, Lincoln
 
De Gaulle sounds weird. BaseAttitude -1, BasePeaceWeight 0 means he'll be hobnobbing with the likes of Montezuma and Tokugawa, and will really detest people like Gandhi or Mansa Musa, yet his unit training rating is only 25%, which is lowish.
 
De Gaulle's "demand tribute" level is as high (25) as Genghis', Montezuma', and Napoleon's. Quite frankly he's a real pain in the rear end
 
I found Gilgamesh to be an interesting type. He's started quite a few wars in my game. Boudica dogpiled also.
 
Here is my attempt to read the same numbers as Blake posted as relates to the new leaders in BtS. The only column which is not the same is the Total (I don't know how Blake computed that), but I tried to approximate the given numbers with a linear fit. I hope this gives a rough idea:

btsattitudesuv1.jpg
 
That's interesting, Ragnar appears the most aggressive but he's usually peaceful with me in my games.
 
Here is my attempt to read the same numbers as Blake posted as relates to the new leaders in BtS. The only column which is not the same is the Total (I don't know how Blake computed that), but I tried to approximate the given numbers with a linear fit. I hope this gives a rough idea:

btsattitudesjx4.jpg


Analysis:

As expected, Boudica is a whackjob but at least she won't attack you at Pleased. Justinian and Oranje are pretty far up in the pecking order, as is Charlemagne. Lincoln would be otherwise OK but he has an amazing tendency to dogpile.

In short, most of the new BtS leaders are aggressive jerks.
Umm. If my understanding of this is right: If Boudica has 0% chance of going to war at pleased while Genghis has 10% at pleased, and Genghis has a higher unit build prob, and all other things being equal, and that the 'bastards' are at the top, then why was Boudica above Genghis? And why was she given a higher total? Just curious. (btw, I think Ragnar is above Monty because Ragnar has a higher unit build prob)
 
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