A coup against Tanktunker

mike6426

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Time for the first staged coup against an official here at DGII

As is stated in the title, I am staging a coup against Tanktunker for his incompetence in handling the Tech office. He does not listen to other people's arguments and his "reforms" (if you can call them that) only added more bickering to the game.

I am planning to re-reform the office to handle most (if not all) of these complaints. And unless you have just joined the DG, you know how I handle the office.

Pertinent information:
The Tribal Government Act of 4000 BC said:
Section 3 - Coup
Any official, including the Judiciary, may be removed from office by a Coup. To declare a Coup, any citizen may post a thread in the citizen forum declaring a coup against an official or group of officials. If two other citizens support the coup, a poll is posted asking if the citizens support the official(s) targeted by the coup. This poll is private, single-choice, and must be set to expire in 4 days.

If the number of citizens that voted to not support gain 60% of the total votes in that poll (including abstain), the coup is successful. The citizen who originally called for the coup immediately replaces the official targeted by the coup. If more than one official is targeted, the citizen may choose which office they take. The citizens removed from office may not be reappointed to any office for 7 days.

If the coup fails, the citizen calling for the coup is removed from any elected office they hold. They may not be appointed to any office for 7 days. They may not call for another coup for the remainder of the current term.
 
I support the pronounced coup, or should we call it "putsch"?

I am certain it can only be better with Mike6426 as Chief Scientist.

That said, I will personally not seek any office next term, as there is a voting bloc that will render any of my major initiatives void and non-valid. Still, I am here.
 
The poll is to be created after 2 citizens support my coup, as is stated in the Tribal Government Act of 4000 BC
 
I will not support such an action. There has never been an effective method for deciding tech research, there have been many arguments about how to handle tech selection in the past. This argument is simply the most heated because Provolution is involved. If this had been left with Dave's poll in the matter and no other actions had been taken I'm sure this issue would have been resolved by now.

I firmly believe that Tank has been an effective chief scientist, he has taken the office very seriously and has been active in tech discussions, which I believe is the most important part of the office.
 
Well, just blame me for everything Grant. We only did with technology as you guys did in the Berlin Siege with the moves, just the difference we had a poll to back us on a much bigger topic, technology. Why can't we use similar means to handle similar issues? This has been a major problem for a while, I am just the most vocal about it, which is why you feel for attacking me, not questioning the injustice committed.

Right now, the military barely gives orders, and you seem perfectly happy with that.
 
Provolution has always been involved in the tech debates, especially in deciding which way the techs should be voted on. If I remember correctly, he started the current way of finding techs (nominating tech paths and voting on them)

Also, my main reform would be to allow people to nominate techs (instead of tech paths) to be voted on. I am working out the bugs right now, but I would be glad to provide more details about the process, just PM me.
 
As a citizen, I can't support a coup against someone who just joined the game, over not understanding the unspoken ideal of the perfect demogame official. I think part of our problem is having standards but not explaining them.

I don't like what has been happening in the office, but let's look for a positive way to change it vs. a negative way.
 
Be careful giving out methods before the election begins, one may risk someone duplicating ones methodological inventions and claim originating them.
That happens a lot in demogames.
 
Viva la Revolution! I give my whole hearted support to the coup to remove the bloody tyrant who currently holds this position.

Burn the whole place down!!
 
Since two citizens (Provolution and Nobody) have supported the coup, I suggest someone post the poll soon so it can be completed before the game play session that (I think) is supposed to happen on Friday. Otherwise we may face yet another delay.

I'm also reluctant to oust someone new but the original tech poll left much to be desired. I'm not sure yet how I will vote.
 
Could someone from the Judiciary do that, the most neutrally conceivable poll ?
 
I will follow provolution's poll, but after this chat I will introduce a new way of polling techs. I will not continue with the current path, as I believe paths to be flawed.
 
I will follow provolution's poll, but after this chat I will introduce a new way of polling techs. I will not continue with the current path, as I believe paths to be flawed.
Shouldn't you first wait for the poll result?

I believe Methos put it nicely earlier: if we do not explain the demogame rules to people we only have to sit and wait for an accident to happen. I too believe Tanktunker neglected the Engineering branche but I'm not convinced he did it on purpose.

It's somewhat interesting but definetly sad to see Tanktunker's explanation for his action is ignored or rejected by a fair share of demogame players.

The overzealous approach to bringing Tanktunker down has made me decide to Abstain in this whole coup attempt.
 
I also do not support a coup. One, he's a new player and probably isn't familiar with our game, therefore helping him is more of the approach I would go for. Secondly, I'd rather first wait for any judicial proceedings to complete before jumping into something like this. Granted, I came here first, so that may have already happened.

Either way, I'm against a coup. A coup on a new player tends to push them away, which is not what this DG needs.
 
I was approached by Mike before this coup, and I agreed to back it, for that I am honest.

The problem was not only the initial neglect, which I could have easily forgiven.

The main problem was the prolonged and determined fight in aftermath on behalf of a handful players and Chieftain to deny us something that we need in the next wars, as they were bent on one location, one wonder and one turn, and not handling the wars at all.

Though, it was not his fault alone, but as the struggle went on, it became apparent that our Chief Scientist was not only an instrument for a faction/voting bloc that shared the minority view, but also was one of their most active and convinced agents. The dedication to obscure or sabotage "Engineering" since the outset became more and more apparent. We could of course have let it pass, but that would be playing this into the hands of those that silently approved of the misgivings or strongly argued for them. If his supporters really cared for him, they would have advised him to make sure engineering was polled properly, not hidden away and held back.

This coup is more than anything a signal to those supporting future totalitarian and one-sided tendencies. Even if it fails, which it is likely to do due to the culture here for sympathy votes, it is not a support vote ("continue as you did"), but a vote requesting a radical shift in the way people should lead discussions and structure polls. This coup is also a signal that similar handling of episodes will end up in situations like this, completely within the framework of game-rules.

Since a few general reactions to many of my initiatives have been preconceived, partly for historical reasons, since I joined this demogame, people have confused my demonized role with the actual support base for any given alternative.

I admit to have one of the rougher styles here, but my proposed strategies are not the worst in this game, as they sometimes also represent what good civplayers here already said before me in this forum. Try to ignore me or others when backed by majority (and you never know that till the poll is in), and you may be more than surprised.

Since we already got a dangerous precedence on the handling of polls, and we see what they can do to the game, I suggest someone leave their passive states and embrace Hyronymous and Donsigs poll reforms or at least help finish them.

I know I did not gain any friends on this, but I did not lose any either, and then again, I am not up for election so I feel quite free here.

On a final point, I got a proposed method that would work out fairly for polling science (and other things) and solve many of these issues in this game. When I bring that proposition forward, I hope to be taken seriously, listened to and consulted, not attacked, humiliated and generally ignored, as we saw with this engineering case.

This method can of course be altered and tweaked to fit the main citizenships preferences, but the point still holds valid.
 
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