Philosophical/Industrious
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If you built say 8 wonders in your GP farm that's 16 GP points +100% from philosophical trait that's 32 GP points straight off the bat before any specialists.
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I wouldn't have a problem with the combo. This game isn't competitive enough where having something unbalancing ruins the game. It's not like a buff to crypt fiends in Warcraft 3 where it affects tournament play. There is no big money tournament play for Civ 4. Or a buff to a major rifle or energy weapon in a FPS.
People complain about praetorians all the time, and yet it's only received one direct nerf. Not to mention players either self-nerf or self-buff anyways or play on a handicap due to various reasons. People even play Boudica with Rome just to feel the abuse.
I see no reason to not allow the combo. That being said, it definitely would be a strong combo, and Firaxis should give it to a leader on a weak civ and starting tech combo.
People complain about praetorians all the time, and yet it's only received one direct nerf. Not to mention players either self-nerf or self-buff anyways or play on a handicap due to various reasons. People even play Boudica with Rome just to feel the abuse.
I see no reason to not allow the combo. That being said, it definitely would be a strong combo, and Firaxis should give it to a leader on a weak civ and starting tech combo.
Spearthrower
Thrower of spears
There's no such thing as random traits.
You can do it through mods though.
It would definitely be my favourite combo, but it is clearly overpowered in a way that even other overpowered combos couldnt hope to match.
You can do it through mods though.
It would definitely be my favourite combo, but it is clearly overpowered in a way that even other overpowered combos couldnt hope to match.
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I pondered having a Spanish leader or Japanese leader with this combo. Spain's startings tech aren't good for early building, IMO, due to getting a religion first and fishing. Plus, the UU and UB doesn't really do anything with the traits.
Japan's UB is certainly worthless for the most part. Samurai is fairly medicore IMO. It's got great looking traits, but crossbows still should hold it's own against it, so I don't mind. Fishing doesn't do much with the "banned" combo, and although the Wheel is solid, it also doesn't really contribute to the combo either.
Arabia might have a leader that built a lot, plus a few of their leaders were definitely enlightened to the point where Philosophical made sense. Mysticism and the Wheel doesn't really help. Madrassa could be a big problem since it allows 4 specialists from one early building. Camel archers are nothing special.
Basically, any of the starting techs that doesn't allow workers to do anything useful is probably safe to put with the combo. Certainly not Mining or Hunting, as that's like the best starting tech combo in the game, IMO.
I thought about Japan as well. They really deserve a modern leader I think. More than likely the Emperor Meiji who brought about the Meiji Restoration which modernized Japans military. My other thought was Thedosius II of The Byzantine Empire, who was responsible for building the Theodosian Walls, the University of Constantinoble and for implementing a set of laws in Byzantium.
Either would be appropriate in my mind.
You can do that with any PHI leader.
Julian Delphiki
Anton's key
It's still easier with phi/ind.
Spearthrower
Thrower of spears
Cheap Wonders -> Quicker and more frequent GP's -> Faster Tech -> Wonders available sooner -> Cheap Wonders -> Even more frequent GP's -> Even Faster Tech...... etc
It would break the game horribly for anyone who knew what they were doing.
I'd love to play it - it suits my style of play perfectly, but it would become pointless.
People claiming that it would be ok just aren't using their imagination and they need to go and mod it in and try for themselves.
azzaman333
meh
2/3 "Forbidden Combos" were added in BtS anyway, Fin/Org and Agg/Cha.
Why not add Phi/Ind as well?
Why not add Phi/Ind as well?
bonafide11
Worker
True, I'm still surprised they added Financial/Organized, especially to Persia, who has a strong and early UU. Though I still think Phi/Ind would be more powerful...
Gaius Octavius
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Give it to Lincoln!
America's late UU and UB would be the balancing factor here, meaning that you'd have a better time in the rest of the game without being strictly overpowered. Ironically, these traits suit him very well, since he's definitely philosophical, and industry won the war for the North.
Watch out when America enters the modern age, though!
America's late UU and UB would be the balancing factor here, meaning that you'd have a better time in the rest of the game without being strictly overpowered. Ironically, these traits suit him very well, since he's definitely philosophical, and industry won the war for the North.
Watch out when America enters the modern age, though!
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