Alternate History

I've got an idea. How about everybody takes a turn changing an event in history, just one event, and then the next person changes another event based on the last changed event.
An Example could be something like this:

User 1:
The Carthaginians win the Battle of Agrigentum, destroying the Roman forces. The stunning defeat forces Rome to surrender to Carthage, and Carthage seizes the southern areas of the Italian Peninsula, and becomes the world superpower.

User 2:
Carthage declares war on Egypt, and conquers it.

User 3:
Carthage proceeds to invade Palastine. After a heavy resistance, Jeruselum falls.

User 4:
Christianity is established in the Carthaginian Empire and becomes the Religion of the East.
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If your interested, feel free to post an event. As long as we start out with a BC event, this could be a really long thread. AND PLEASE, NOTHING REDICULOUS LIKE "Then the Etheopians nuked the world and everyone died."

1. The Spartans lose the battle of Thermopylae, and are eventually conquered by Persia. the Persians eventually assimilate Greece to some degree...

take it from there

The Roman Kingdom is overthrown, and the Republic is born. After some expansion to the west (Gaul and Spain), tensions between the Roman Republic and Persian Empire are strained. In 40 BC, after the sucseful preservation of the Roman Republic, the senate declares war on Persia.

Emperor2 said:

The Roman Kingdom is overthrown, and the Republic is born. After some expansion to the west (Gaul and Spain), tensions between the Roman Republic and Persian Empire are strained. In 40 BC, after the sucseful preservation of the Roman Republic, the senate declares war on Persia.

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After some initial successes, not least in inciting a rebellion against the Persians in Jerusalem, the Romans are pushed back from their initials gains in modern day Albania and Macedonia. A shaky peace comes about in 20BC, and the Med is informally divided up into agreed spheres of unfluence, Romans having Hedgemony from Spain to The heel of Italy, Persia being masters of the Eastern side, although even by 1BC Egypt is not fully pacified, and Jerusalem is destroyed, after rebelling 5 times. the Persians decide to make an example and raze the city, killing tens of thousands of Jews and destroying the temples.

RedRalphWiggum said:

After some initial successes, not least in inciting a rebellion against the Persians in Jerusalem, the Romans are pushed back from their initials gains in modern day Albania and Macedonia. A shaky peace comes about in 20BC, and the Med is informally divided up into agreed spheres of unfluence, Romans having Hedgemony from Spain to The heel of Italy, Persia being masters of the Eastern side, although even by 1BC Egypt is not fully pacified, and Jerusalem is destroyed, after rebelling 5 times. the Persians decide to make an example and raze the city, killing tens of thousands of Jews and destroying the temples.

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4) With thousands of Jews fleeing the opphresive Persian Regime, the Jews are scattered across the Roman Empire. However, much like the Persians, the Jews are unwelcomed in the Roman Empire and persucueted and purged out of the cities. A massive genocide takes place and only the Jews who escape into Africa, Arabia and Russia survive. However one noble Jewishman from the tribe of Joseph leading a band of 300 warriors capture a small dusty Town in the middle of the desert called Mecca and starts a new Jewish State. Meanwhile, J-sus is....

aronnax said:

4) With thousands of Jews fleeing the opphresive Persian Regime, the Jews are scattered across the Roman Empire. However, much like the Persians, the Jews are unwelcomed in the Roman Empire and persucueted and purged out of the cities. A massive genocide takes place and only the Jews who escape into Africa, Arabia and Russia survive. However one noble Jewishman from the tribe of Joseph leading a band of 300 warriors capture a small dusty Town in the middle of the desert called Mecca and starts a new Jewish State. Meanwhile, J-sus is....

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Born, but, stripped of the opportunity to make his name by challenging the Jewish establishment, which no longer exists in the sense it did in the levant, his life passes off fairly unremarkably, although he does become a fairly well know carpenter and makes a pretty decent living. He is well known among his patrons in the Jewish state, which exists as a client state of Persia on the understanding no talk agains tht empire will be tolerated. rumours abound that Jesus has contacts with the Roman empire, but the Persians, by this stage full of hubris, wont entertain the idea.

The Persian empire, on the other hand, is going from strength to strength. Expanding northwards into the Caucasus, they colonise the entire coast of the black sea and the northern Balkans. Zoroastrianism looks set to become the new religion of Europe. Rome is beginning to feel threatened once again, and begins to secretly build a new army, with a possible eye on war with Persia. the Perisans still dont have the entire Arabian peninsula under control, the Jewish state and some tribes to the south are still nominally independent but to all intents and pusposes they rule from the Carpathians to the Indus. Can anyhting stop them? Will they leave Rome as masters of Western Europe? Can the Jewish state ever break freee of their grip?


(Enjoying this!)

A large group of Jewish prisoners secretly escape Persian captivity, and they sail west, hoping to find a better life. They eventually reach a new land (North America), then settle down in an unoccupied region (Florida) and start building their own culture. They meet the Native American tribes, and start trading with them. After a few years, some Native Americans are inspired by the tales of the Jewish people, and they decide to go see the eastern world. They set sail on the same boats that the Jews arrived in, and they make good progress. However, they make a wrong turn and arrive in Celtic territory.

Meanwhile, a new leader has appeared among the Roman people.....

The New Leader, Felix Sejanus, is a warmongering tyrant. He declares war on the persians using his new secret army of 185,000 and invades greece. After 30 years of war he stops the Romans stop in Ionia. Persia, weakened by this advance, counter attack in recent Roman gains in North Africa and secure Libya. Carthage, Largely a neutral party, attacks Rome in Gaul and Perisa in Egypt. Unlike the Perisans, the Carthagenians promise the secret Jewish leader, Jesus, A rebuilt Jeruselum and restored Independant Judea. The Carthaginians are also very impressed and are liking The Jewish Religion and newly Carthaginan Jews, including the Kings son, Believe Jesus the son of god. Meanwhile, The Natives that landed in Celtic lands landed in Hibernia and are influenced by the locals techonology, which were picked up by the Romans in Gaul, The locals call them self Britone Woads. The Jews in North America have settled in modern day Cuba and have set up the city new jeruselum. and the so far Opressed Spartans... The Year is 45AD c

Meanwhile, in China, the Trung Sisters have sucessfully overthrown the Chinese rule in Vietnam, and their sucessor, we'll just call him Trung Nguyen, even goes conquering a half of China.

"Yue-nan", as it is known, is now the rival of the Han Dynasty in East Asia. Expanding into Central Asia, tHe Han dynasty meanwhile sucessfully sends a delegation to Rome, and they agree on an alliance against the Persians.

More sucess is found when a Chinese innovator by the name of Zhuge Dai sucessfully invents gunpowder in the year 111 AD>

The Chinese send troops through India.The Indians however, prove hostile to both the persians and the Chinese, and a small expeditionary force sent by the chinese, 2,500 total, is slaughtered with 12 arriving in Persepolis Perisa and China agree to punish India, sending a coalition of 30,000, all the while weakening the already troubled Perisian Empire. In the West, Germania Tribes become restless, causing...

During 450 the Gupta empire is in the north, so these are the
"Indians" we're talking about, right?

Also, I think if Judea became free, from a secular standpoint, the Jesus myth would have never happened.

Meanwhile, in the West, Zoroastrianism is spreading. Italy now has a sizeable Zoroastrian minority. The Zoroastrains are considered heretics for their monotheism in the Roman Empire (remember this happening to Christianity?) and Carthage and Rome ally against the Persian empire.

Yet, at the same time, Buddhism spreads into Persia and, althuogh does not replace Zoroastranism, gains a sizable minority. It even spreads as far as Egypt and the Arabian Penensula, and gains a strong community in Mecca.

Meanwhie, in China, the Han Dynasty continues its powress, using the new technology of gunpowder to win continous victories against Vietnam. However, the Vietnamese finally manage to copy the technology in 225 CE thanks to the genius of their queen, Trieu Thi Trinh. In fact, she even takes the technology further, inventing a "firelance". Using this, Vietnam becomes the supreme power of Southeast Asia, preventing the rise of other powerful kingdoms in the area.

Saim said:

Meanwhile, in the West, Zoroastrianism is spreading. Italy now has a sizeable Zoroastrian minority. The Zoroastrains are considered heretics for their monotheism in the Roman Empire (remember this happening to Christianity?) and Carthage and Rome ally against the Persian empire.

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Wait, Carthage is now a Jewish (Monothetis) State attacking Gaul.

mr_lewington said:

The Chinese send troops through India.The Indians however, prove hostile to both the persians and the Chinese, and a small expeditionary force sent by the chinese, 2,500 total, is slaughtered with 12 arriving in Persepolis Perisa and China agree to punish India, sending a coalition of 30,000, all the while weakening the already troubled Perisian Empire. In the West, Germania Tribes become restless, causing...

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...massive destruction in Southen Germany. However, Felix Sejanus sat down and negogiate with the Germania Tribe leaders. After 7 hours of intense bargainging, Felix Sejanus had promise the tribes money, power and a homeland inside the empire if they fight the Cathraginians in Gaul. The new Germania Army is retrained and reequiped and take drive most of the enemy forces back to the sea. As India, China, Rome and Carthage fight away the overstrechted Persian Empire, the Jews of Joshehup find the courage to break free of Vassal rule and sent an invasion force for Israel...

China has now overexpanded, stretching as far as Persepolis itself. With Vietnam threatening its southern borders, the Han dynasty collapses into Three Kingdoms - one based on Kashgar in Central Asia, one based on Chang'an in China, and one based on Chengdu in China, headed by the Sun, Cao, and Liu families respectively.

You really want Vietnam to become China dont you?

So far....

WOW! howd you do that do fast?

anyhow, i'll continue.


In the MesoAmericas, meanwhile, the Mayans are rising. A leader, Sical, has reigned in Palenque, and expanded his city state so much he controls half of the Mayans in total. The first true empire in MesoAmerica is born!

cybrxkhan said:

WOW! howd you do that do fast?

anyhow, i'll continue.


In the MesoAmericas, meanwhile, the Mayans are rising. A leader, Sical, has reigned in Palenque, and expanded his city state so much he controls half of the Mayans in total. The first true empire in MesoAmerica is born!

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I was hoping we stick to the First World War and the Period of the Three Kingdoms.

Anyway, the Mayans having made contact with Jews in Cuba adopt their Religion and way of life, hoping one day to restore Jerusalem to its former glory. In 68 AD Palenque I, begin building the largest fleet in the world under the comand of Mengche. In Arabia, the Jews had sucessfully fought through into Palestine. After the decisive Battle of Gaza, the Jews march towards Jerusalem hoping to reconquer the rubble burnt down 70 years ago. The Romans push out the Persians into the Bosphorus, the Indians harass the eastern end and the Carthaginians conquer Egyot only to find the Jews in the way. They decide wheter to attack or declare peace

But meanwhile, in China, things are still pretty deadly. The four East Asian factions are joined by a fifth - Riben (Japan). A noble of the house of Cao, named Sima Zhan, disgusted by their behavior, escapes with some followers and founds a fifth faction, the Sima.

Meanwhile, the Jews, weary of the Carthaginians, send assistance to the Egyptian guerilla movement.

how, arronax, howd you do that map? PLEASE TELL ME!