LK28 - Regent training.

LKendter · Jun 24, 2002, 08:14 AM

I am going to leave the emperor training to people like Sirian, Sullla, and Arathon. These players out class me at the current time. However, even at Regent there are important lesson you need to move up toward emperor.

This training will concentrate on items that the higher levels tolerate even less - worker wastage, bad city placement, poor build choices, bad team coordination, etc. I don't plan to talk much on tech choices as these become meaningless at monarch at higher. At those levels, it is definitely cheaper to buy the tech.

The game will be on a standard map. I still have to determine what the Civ will be - however I have ruled out expansionist, and religious traits. These are just too powerful.

I will NOT play any turns in this game.

I want to get five players in this game. This was the mistake with the last training game - to few players.
10 turns each - wait for comments before moving. I will NOT be giving an official grade, however expect me to be critical of clearly weak moves.

hotrod0823 · Jun 24, 2002, 09:43 AM

Lee I am currently playing/learning with Sirian's Regent game but would like to continue to learn more about the game and SG coordination in general. Basically, I want to be able to contribute to SGs without regular players feeling that I have wasted my 10 turns by doing some

y moves.

Hotrod

Trickey · Jun 24, 2002, 10:07 AM

im in.

LKendter · Jun 24, 2002, 11:19 AM

hotrod0823 - player #1
Trickey - player #2

Sullla · Jun 24, 2002, 01:57 PM

Good idea LK - games do not need to be at Emperor level to instruct newcomers as to the game's fundamentals. At the same time though, I would have been bored with another Regent game and I think that playing the higher levels is good experience too. It's great that there are games of both types to look at. I will try to follow this thread and chime in from time to time if I see something that I think could be helpful.

Juliennew · Jun 24, 2002, 02:09 PM

Hi LK
put me in please, i have a lot to learn in succession games.

T-hawk · Jun 24, 2002, 02:15 PM

Here's an idea I was considering running (at Emperor level), but decided I didn't have time to do properly. How about a "Best-Ball" game rather than succession? Each player takes a turn and posts their results. The game coordinator (who doesn't play) criticizes them all, and chooses the best result of all the games as the official save for the next round to begin from. If a particular player's turn is chosen 3 times consecutively or 5 times total, they "graduate", and someone else can take the spot.

I think the Greeks are the best training-day civilization. No crutches of religious or industrious, no specialized advantages of militaristic or expansionist, and a UU that should let players build in safety for the entire ancient age.

Curufinwe · Jun 24, 2002, 03:44 PM

I'd like to join.

LKendter · Jun 24, 2002, 03:47 PM

hotrod0823 - player #1
Trickey - player #2
Juliennew - player #3
curufinwe - player #4 (snuck in while I was posting!)

@T-hawk - I like the civ choice - it makes sense - Greece is our civ

You idea would get to confusing. This was why I gave up on the emperor training game I was in - confusing the shadow with the real game - yours would have the same problem.

One more player and we start.

Chieftess · Jun 24, 2002, 06:30 PM

I'll join!

*waves to curu*

Curufinwe · Jun 24, 2002, 06:32 PM

sorry I forgot to tell you about this. *waves back*

LKendter · Jun 24, 2002, 06:53 PM

hotrod0823 - player #1
Trickey - player #2
Juliennew - player #3
curufinwe - player #4 (snuck in while I was posting!)
Chieftess - player #5

This game will start shortly. I will wait to see if we get a sixth.

T-hawk · Jun 24, 2002, 08:04 PM

In my idea, there would be no shadow (or everything's a shadow, depending on how you want to look at it.) Every player downloads the savegame, takes a turn, reports -- and then the best result is selected by you after-the-fact to be the official turn. All the players then download the savegame that you designate, and take a turn from there, and so on. To me, it seems simpler than the usual way of doing succession games (no confusion between official and shadow turns). It's up to you, though; good luck!

Chieftess · Jun 24, 2002, 08:16 PM

And you could have another thread (not quite a shadow...) that has the other player's actions, and your suggestions, or why you didn't pick it.

LKendter · Jun 25, 2002, 07:02 AM

This game will start in about 8 hours.
If someone want slot #6 - the LAST slot - post before then.

hotrod0823 · Jun 25, 2002, 07:08 AM

LK are you going to post just the game correct? I will then pickup from 4000 BC and play 10?

Hotrod

LKendter · Jun 25, 2002, 08:02 AM

What I will do is:
1 - Start the game, and save at 4000BC.
2 - Search around a bit to make sure the position is reasonable - I rememeber one game I quit at 3000BC when I finnally found a spot that could grow beyond 2 without clearing jungle.
3 - Hotrod - you will get to play 20 to get the game rolling, everyone gets 10 after that.

The next person does NOT play until after my comments - it may slow the game down, but not much of a training day with commentary, is it?

hotrod0823 · Jun 25, 2002, 08:08 AM

Ok no problem will check back tonight to grab the game.

Hotrod

LKendter · Jun 25, 2002, 03:35 PM

(1) 4000 BC - The game begins

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/LK28-4000BC.zip

hotrod0823 - Playing - 20 turns
Trickey - (on deck) - 10 turns from here on
Juliennew -
curufinwe -
Chieftess -

Remember - wait for my commentary before moving - not much of a training day with that.

Juliennew · Jun 25, 2002, 04:39 PM

How can I make screenshots of the game ?
Do I need a program running in background or Civ3 has this option incorporated ?

Jun 24, 2002, 02:15 PM	#7
T-hawk Transcend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hoboken NJ / NYC Posts: 2,545	Here's an idea I was considering running (at Emperor level), but decided I didn't have time to do properly. How about a "Best-Ball" game rather than succession? Each player takes a turn and posts their results. The game coordinator (who doesn't play) criticizes them all, and chooses the best result of all the games as the official save for the next round to begin from. If a particular player's turn is chosen 3 times consecutively or 5 times total, they "graduate", and someone else can take the spot. I think the Greeks are the best training-day civilization. No crutches of religious or industrious, no specialized advantages of militaristic or expansionist, and a UU that should let players build in safety for the entire ancient age. __________________ my Civ 3 site \| my Civ 4 site \| Realms Beyond Civilization New: Civ 4 Score Calculator \| Breaking 3 Million Score

Jun 24, 2002, 03:47 PM	#9
LKendter Deity Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Quakertown, PA Posts: 15,945	hotrod0823 - player #1 Trickey - player #2 Juliennew - player #3 curufinwe - player #4 (snuck in while I was posting!) @T-hawk - I like the civ choice - it makes sense - Greece is our civ You idea would get to confusing. This was why I gave up on the emperor training game I was in - confusing the shadow with the real game - yours would have the same problem. One more player and we start. __________________ Check out Lee's civ site . You can read about my RB games. NEW Oct 15, 2012 - Added Civ4 Adv55. The LK series is back - LK149, world map as Indonesia is in progress

Jun 24, 2002, 06:30 PM	#10
Chieftess Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 23,547	I'll join! waves to curu __________________ "Never trust an Aztec with nukes!" (Civ1 - unknown) \| 2nd user of the Ancient Style. South America (based on El Mencey's Map) \| N & S America (based on El Mencey's Map) \| C3C Scenario: 7,000 Turns Civ2 Earth for C3C \| Old Style Civ3 for C3C \| "Future is Wild" map How to upload multiple files to a post \| File Upload \| Paint Shop Pro 3.11 shareware (screenshot util - doesn't expire) \| Chieftess' Culture Flip Calc \| Don't wind up like this AI! \| resource icons file To download a patch: Select "Advanced" from the main menu, and go to "Check for Updates". \|\| My Web Journal (yes, it's a "blog")

Jun 24, 2002, 06:53 PM	#12
LKendter Deity Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Quakertown, PA Posts: 15,945	hotrod0823 - player #1 Trickey - player #2 Juliennew - player #3 curufinwe - player #4 (snuck in while I was posting!) Chieftess - player #5 This game will start shortly. I will wait to see if we get a sixth. __________________ Check out Lee's civ site . You can read about my RB games. NEW Oct 15, 2012 - Added Civ4 Adv55. The LK series is back - LK149, world map as Indonesia is in progress

Jun 24, 2002, 08:04 PM	#13
T-hawk Transcend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hoboken NJ / NYC Posts: 2,545	In my idea, there would be no shadow (or everything's a shadow, depending on how you want to look at it.) Every player downloads the savegame, takes a turn, reports -- and then the best result is selected by you after-the-fact to be the official turn. All the players then download the savegame that you designate, and take a turn from there, and so on. To me, it seems simpler than the usual way of doing succession games (no confusion between official and shadow turns). It's up to you, though; good luck! __________________ my Civ 3 site \| my Civ 4 site \| Realms Beyond Civilization New: Civ 4 Score Calculator \| Breaking 3 Million Score

Jun 24, 2002, 08:14 AM	#1
LKendter Deity Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Quakertown, PA Posts: 15,945	LK28 - Regent training. I am going to leave the emperor training to people like Sirian, Sullla, and Arathon. These players out class me at the current time. However, even at Regent there are important lesson you need to move up toward emperor. This training will concentrate on items that the higher levels tolerate even less - worker wastage, bad city placement, poor build choices, bad team coordination, etc. I don't plan to talk much on tech choices as these become meaningless at monarch at higher. At those levels, it is definitely cheaper to buy the tech. The game will be on a standard map. I still have to determine what the Civ will be - however I have ruled out expansionist, and religious traits. These are just too powerful. I will NOT play any turns in this game. I want to get five players in this game. This was the mistake with the last training game - to few players. 10 turns each - wait for comments before moving. I will NOT be giving an official grade, however expect me to be critical of clearly weak moves. __________________ Check out Lee's civ site . You can read about my RB games. NEW Oct 15, 2012 - Added Civ4 Adv55. The LK series is back - LK149, world map as Indonesia is in progress

Jun 24, 2002, 09:43 AM	#2
hotrod0823 Deity Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,753	Lee I am currently playing/learning with Sirian's Regent game but would like to continue to learn more about the game and SG coordination in general. Basically, I want to be able to contribute to SGs without regular players feeling that I have wasted my 10 turns by doing some y moves. Hotrod __________________ Currently Playing:

Jun 24, 2002, 10:07 AM	#3
Trickey Warlord Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 138	im in.

Jun 24, 2002, 11:19 AM	#4
LKendter Deity Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Quakertown, PA Posts: 15,945	hotrod0823 - player #1 Trickey - player #2 __________________ Check out Lee's civ site . You can read about my RB games. NEW Oct 15, 2012 - Added Civ4 Adv55. The LK series is back - LK149, world map as Indonesia is in progress

Jun 24, 2002, 01:57 PM	#5
Sullla Patrician Roman Dictator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Baltimore MD Posts: 2,831	Good idea LK - games do not need to be at Emperor level to instruct newcomers as to the game's fundamentals. At the same time though, I would have been bored with another Regent game and I think that playing the higher levels is good experience too. It's great that there are games of both types to look at. I will try to follow this thread and chime in from time to time if I see something that I think could be helpful. __________________ Civ4 Fan? Check out Realms Beyond Civilization Sullla's Website: My writings on Civilization and many other games, featuring the Civ4 Walkthrough "Alea iacta est." - G. Julius Caesar

Jun 24, 2002, 02:09 PM	#6
Juliennew Warlord Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: France Posts: 237	Hi LK put me in please, i have a lot to learn in succession games.

Jun 24, 2002, 03:44 PM	#8
Curufinwe Socialist Elf Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 926	I'd like to join.

Jun 24, 2002, 06:32 PM	#11
Curufinwe Socialist Elf Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 926	sorry I forgot to tell you about this. waves back

Jun 24, 2002, 08:16 PM	#14
Chieftess Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 23,547	And you could have another thread (not quite a shadow...) that has the other player's actions, and your suggestions, or why you didn't pick it. __________________ "Never trust an Aztec with nukes!" (Civ1 - unknown) \| 2nd user of the Ancient Style. South America (based on El Mencey's Map) \| N & S America (based on El Mencey's Map) \| C3C Scenario: 7,000 Turns Civ2 Earth for C3C \| Old Style Civ3 for C3C \| "Future is Wild" map How to upload multiple files to a post \| File Upload \| Paint Shop Pro 3.11 shareware (screenshot util - doesn't expire) \| Chieftess' Culture Flip Calc \| Don't wind up like this AI! \| resource icons file To download a patch: Select "Advanced" from the main menu, and go to "Check for Updates". \|\| My Web Journal (yes, it's a "blog")

Jun 25, 2002, 07:02 AM	#15
LKendter Deity Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Quakertown, PA Posts: 15,945	This game will start in about 8 hours. If someone want slot #6 - the LAST slot - post before then. __________________ Check out Lee's civ site . You can read about my RB games. NEW Oct 15, 2012 - Added Civ4 Adv55. The LK series is back - LK149, world map as Indonesia is in progress

Jun 25, 2002, 07:08 AM	#16
hotrod0823 Deity Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,753	LK are you going to post just the game correct? I will then pickup from 4000 BC and play 10? Hotrod __________________ Currently Playing:

Jun 25, 2002, 08:02 AM	#17
LKendter Deity Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Quakertown, PA Posts: 15,945	What I will do is: 1 - Start the game, and save at 4000BC. 2 - Search around a bit to make sure the position is reasonable - I rememeber one game I quit at 3000BC when I finnally found a spot that could grow beyond 2 without clearing jungle. 3 - Hotrod - you will get to play 20 to get the game rolling, everyone gets 10 after that. The next person does NOT play until after my comments - it may slow the game down, but not much of a training day with commentary, is it? __________________ Check out Lee's civ site . You can read about my RB games. NEW Oct 15, 2012 - Added Civ4 Adv55. The LK series is back - LK149, world map as Indonesia is in progress

Jun 25, 2002, 08:08 AM	#18
hotrod0823 Deity Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,753	Ok no problem will check back tonight to grab the game. Hotrod __________________ Currently Playing:

Jun 25, 2002, 03:35 PM	#19
LKendter Deity Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Quakertown, PA Posts: 15,945	(1) 4000 BC - The game begins http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/LK28-4000BC.zip hotrod0823 - Playing - 20 turns Trickey - (on deck) - 10 turns from here on Juliennew - curufinwe - Chieftess - Remember - wait for my commentary before moving - not much of a training day with that. __________________ Check out Lee's civ site . You can read about my RB games. NEW Oct 15, 2012 - Added Civ4 Adv55. The LK series is back - LK149, world map as Indonesia is in progress

Jun 25, 2002, 04:39 PM	#20
Juliennew Warlord Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: France Posts: 237	How can I make screenshots of the game ? Do I need a program running in background or Civ3 has this option incorporated ?

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