French bank Societe Generale uncovers a $7.14 billion fraud

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Societe Generale Uncovers Massive Fraud

PARIS (AP) — Societe Generale uncovered a $7.14 billion fraud — one of history's biggest — by a single futures trader who orchestrated a series of bogus transactions that spiraled out of control amid roiling markets this week, the French bank said Thursday.

Executives said the trader, a Frenchman in his 30s, acted alone.
CEO Daniel Bouton said the trader's motivations were "irrational" and that he may not have benefited directly from the fraudulent deals.

The bombshell announcement destabilized a major bank already heavily exposed to the subprime crisis and rattled the global banking sector. France's second largest bank said it will seek 5.5 billion euros ($8.02 billion) in new capital.
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The fraud appears to be the largest ever by a single trader. If confirmed, it would far outstrip the Nick Leeson trading scandal in 1995 that bankrupted British bank Barings. Barings collapsed after Leeson, the bank's Singapore general manager of futures trading, lost 860 million pounds &#8212; then worth $1.38 billion &#8212; on Asian futures markets, wiping out the bank's cash reserves. The company had been in business for more than 230 years.

The fraud was not as big as the 1991 scandal that led to the demise of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. Claims by depositors and creditors there exceeded $10 billion at the time.

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Guy who did this didn't even benefit from it according Yle TV news..
 
&#8364;4.7 billion and it's still "only" about profit of one year for this bank. I wonder if the guy behind this already has and book/movie deal (i think they made at least a TV movie about Leeson).
 
Being a trader myself, it does not surprises me a bit. It is very easy to "lose" the notion of money while trading, you see hundreds of millions of euros exchanging hands every second for some times no "real" reason and without seeing any hard work done to deserve those millions. You finish having the feeling that money is worthless.
Oh the "controlling" procedure are just there to make people feel comfortable, if a trader truly wanted to "f***" up deals just for the sake of "playing with money" it is very easy. I am just a little bit surprised he has all that time to do it, normally within a month or a quarter "position" are reevaluated and they should have "noticed" what was wrong
 
After Leeson's shenanigans, we were told this wouldn't be possible again....

Why did this guy do it if he didn't profit from it?
 
Yeah, saw that. Ouch.

Interestingly, the CEO resigned but it was refused by the board. He then decided to not receive any salary until June, which is a very demagogic move to show his responsibility in the whole thing, but which I think is still nice to do.
 
I watched the movie about Leeson recently.

Not terrible, Ewan McGregor plays him
 
Oh and this is going round the French web...

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Look at his connections :mischief:
 
Bloomberg says that it's about two years pretax profit.

MARKETWATCH FIRST TAKE
SocGen probably was the culprit in Monday's selloff
Commentary: It now seems clear what triggered Monday's selling
LONDON (MarketWatch) -- So, it wasn't the U.S. recession after all.
The huge losses in Europe on Monday -- which caused fright throughout the rest of the world -- probably were caused as much, if not more, by Societe Generale (FR:013080: news, chart, profile) unwinding what had been a big long position in Europe's top stock-market indexes than by any concern about the broader economy. See related story about SocGen's rogue trader.
In retrospect, the losses now make much more sense. For example, RWE (DE:703712: news, chart, profile) , a utility, lost roughly as much as Deutsche Bank (DE:514000: news, chart, profile) , the big bank, on Monday.
If the bet is that the world, and in particular the U.S. economy, is going to go off a cliff, then RWE won't suffer nearly as much as Deutsche Bank.
However, if the DAX is being sold as a whole -- as would have happened if a big index futures position was being sold -- then those two constituents are going to be bruised fairly equally.
That's not to say that the fears of a U.S. recession aren't valid. But the market's recovery from lows earlier this week hints that perhaps those concerns were overblown.
It also raises the disturbing question of whether the Federal Reserve was spooked into making an emergency rate cut on the back of what was just technical selling. The Fed by its own admission met Monday night - after the overseas selling was clear.
This rogue trader may have ending up pressing more buttons than even he imagined.
-- Steve Goldstein, London bureau chief End of Story

I have no idea how feasible this opinion actually is.

Here is picture of "man of the hour":

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His whereabouts are unknown atm.
 
The same reason one guy made oil hit $100 and made no profit?

I can't see this guy throwing away his life and a $140,000 a year job just for infamy. The trader who bought the oil for $100, AFAIK did it by himself.

Also $7,140,000,000 > $100
 
I can't see this guy throwing away his life and a $140,000 a year job just for infamy. The trader who bought the oil for $100, AFAIK did it by himself.

Also $7,140,000,000 > $100

Its a power trip. Imagine you can defraud billions and have the power to momentarily cripple world markets. To be able to manipulate that much, for some thats a rush. Thats the only reason I can think up.
 
Its a power trip. Imagine you can defraud billions and have the power to momentarily cripple world markets. To be able to manipulate that much, for some thats a rush. Thats the only reason I can think up.

That's true, looking at the guy's picture I can see it happening.
 
In (semi) related news, this year, Chinese banks had 120B$ worth of "irregularities". :eek:
 
In (semi) related news, this year, Chinese banks had 120B$ worth of "irregularities". :eek:

Thats all ?!

Its gotta be more then that. I bet that some one got bribed to cover up the rest. ;)
 
lol 7.14 billion. That's bad luck.
 
Well, the point was that the bet was supposed to pay off, not be a loss.... but ya, I don't understand how he would have profited. But then I don't understand banking.
 
After Leeson's shenanigans, we were told this wouldn't be possible again....

Why did this guy do it if he didn't profit from it?
Inside job? That's what's going around in my circles. Interesting that we can't find him all the sudden. I'm not sure I buy it but there was some havoc created in global markets this week with the unwinding of this trade...
 
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