Unit strengths/cost: realistic

Dale

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• Jul 10, 2008

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So what would YOU have the strengths/cost of units?

Here is your opportunity to suggest what they should be.

You have till Monday.

 

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Reserved. I'm going to make a massive post here, gimme time...

(I'm filling it in piece-by-piece so don't be suprised when my post suddently ends all of a sudden or if unit info isnt there- it's not finished)

Base Units

Cavalry

Spoiler :

Leave Cavalry the Same

Infantry

Spoiler :

Early Infantry; 10 , 2 , 300 , +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Weapons
Improved Infantry; 15 , 2 , 300 , +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Weapons
Advanced Infantry; 20 , 3 , 300 , +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Weapons
Modern Infantry; 25 , 3 , 300 , +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Weapons

NOTE - Base units should be uncomplicated as such. Basic increase of 5 for each upgrade.

All tanks start with Blitz and recieve no defensive bonuses, even Unique ones.

Tanks

Spoiler :

Medium Tank; 25 , 3 , 550
Heavy Tank; 30 , 2 , 650 , +20% vs. Armor
Modern Tank; 35 , 3 , 600 , +10% vs. Armor

NOTE - Modern Tank is essentially an improved balance between Medium and Heavy.
NOTE 2 - The change in the % bonus between heavy and modern tanks makes it so a fight between them is not extremely unbalanced. That way, stronger technology wont guarantee a victory.

 

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Continuation...

Light Tanks

Spoiler :

Early Light Tank; 20 , 3 , 450 , +30% vs. Gunpowder Units
Improved Light Tank; 20 , 4 , 450 , +30% vs. Gunpowder Units
Advanced Light Tank; 25 , 4 , 450 , +30% vs. Gunpowder Units

ISSUE - Is it possible to limit the % bonus against Gunpowder Units to only Infantry? I'm not sure how many units RTW has defined as "Gunpowder"

Anti Armor Units

Spoiler :

Anti-Tank Gun; 5 , 2 , 550 , +400% vs. Armor, +100% Forest/Jungle Defense, 0-1 First Strikes
Tank Destroyer; 15 , 3 , 550 , +100% vs. Armor, 0-1 First Strikes
Modern Tank Destroyer; 20 , 3 , 600 , +100% vs. Armor, 0-1 First Strikes

NOTE - This one is hard to balance out with Heavy tanks, and Infantry. I'd like to hear some suggestions.
NOTE 2 - Increase of production time because of the enormous increase of quality between versions of Anti Armor units.

 

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Dang, boozer! I know you're not done yet, but you've gone to work! Good job I like your ideas

 

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Reserved for my first post. Dale if you have a problem with this let me know and i'll try to shrink it down. 30 IMG limit is forcing this.

AA Guns

Spoiler :

Anti-Air Gun; 10 , 2 , 325 , 60% Interception Chance, Can only defend, -50% vs. Gunpowder Units
Improved Anti-Air Gun; 15 , 2 , 325 , 70% Interception Chance, Can only defend, -50% vs. Gunpowder Units
Mobile SAM Launcher; 25 , 3 , 400 , 90% Interception Chance, Can only Defend, -50% vs. Gunpowder Units

Aircraft

Spoiler :

Fighter; 15 , 10 Range, 475 , 70% Interception Chance
Improved Fighter; 20 , 15 Range, 475 , 80% Interception Chance
Jet Fighter; 30 , 25 Range, 500 , 85% Interception Chance

Bomber; 5 , 15 Range, 500 , Causes Collateral Damage
Improved Bomber; 10 , 20 Range, 500 , Causes Collateral Damage
Jet Bomber; 25 , 30 Range, 525 , Causes Collateral Damage, +20% Collateral Damage

 

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Artillery

Spoiler :

Artillery; 10 , 2 , 500 , +25% City Attack, Causes Collateral Damage limit 70%
Heavy Artillery; 15 , 2 , 500 , +25% City Attack, Causes Collateral Damage limit 70%
Mobile Artillery; 20 , 3 , 500 , +25% City Attack, Causes Collateral Damage limit 70%

Naval Units

Spoiler :

Leave Naval Units the same

 

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Unless Dale tells me he's interested, I'm not going to take the time to research history to make the unique unit stats. If he tells me I should, I will though.

 

Dale

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No I'm VERY interested in feedback. For the next beta I want to supply a couple of UnitInfos.xml files so both the current and realistic approaches can be analysed.

Go ahead mate, I'm listening.

 

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Dale said:

No I'm VERY interested in feedback. For the next beta I want to supply a couple of UnitInfos.xml files so both the current and realistic approaches can be analysed.

Go ahead mate, I'm listening.

Click to expand...

I was hoping you wouldn't reply so soon so I could take a break . Ok, here I go.

(For self reference)

*= Unorganized
/ = Half Finished
X = Finished
X+ = Finished & Added something
X! = Finished & Something important for Dale to read

Germany X
Italy X
Japan X!(aircraft section)
China /
France X
United Kingdom X
USSR X
USA X+

(please tell me if I missed any!)

 

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Ok, I'm done organizing. Time to begin adding the unit names...

Germany

Infantry

Spoiler :

German Early Infantry; 15 , 2 , 350 , +25% vs. Siege Units, + 10% city Defense
German Improved Infantry; 20 , 2 , 350 , +25% vs. Siege Units, + 10% city Defense
German Advanced Infantry; 25 , 3 , 350 , +25% vs. Siege Units, + 10% city Defense

Tanks

Spoiler :

PzKw IV Medium Tank; 25 , 3 , 550 , +10% vs. Siege Units
(Upon research of Improved C3I and Logistics)PzKw IV Ausf. D; 25 , 3 , 550 , +10 vs. Armor
PzKw VI Tiger Tank; 30 , 2 , 800 , + 50% vs. Armor, Double movement in Forest/Jungle/Hills, +10% City Defense

NOTE - The Tiger Tank has double movement in forests, jungles, and hills to simulate the fact that while it posessed enough speed to qualify for 3 moves per turn, it did not have the operational range.

 

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Germany Cont'd

Light Tanks

Spoiler :

PzKw II Light Tank; 16 , 4 , 450 , +10% vs. Gunpowder Units, +15% vs. Siege Units
PzKw III Tank; 20 , 3 , 500 , +30% vs. Armor
(Req's Sloped Armor)PzKw V Panther; 25 , 4 , 650 , +40% vs. Armor

Aircraft

Spoiler :

Me BF109 Fighter; 20 , Range 10, 475 , 80% Interception Chance
Focke FW190; 27 , Range 12, 475 , 85% Intercept Chance
Me 262 Jet Fighter; 32 , Range 12, , 85% Intercept Chance

Ju 87 Stuka; 10 , 15 Range, 450 , Causes Collateral Damage, + 10% Colateral Damage
Junkers Ju 88 Bomber, 20 , 20 Range, 500 , Causes Collateral Damage, + 10% Collateral Damage
Ar 234 Jet Bomber, 25 , 20 Range, 475 , Causes Collateral Damage, +10% Collateral Damage

 

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Italy

Infantry

Spoiler :

Italian Early Infantry; 12 , 2 , 300 , +25% vs. Siege Units, +10% City Defense
Italian Improved Infantry; 17 , 2 , 300 , +25% vs. Siege Units, +15% City Defense
Italian Advanced Infantry; 22 , 3 , 300 , +25% vs. Siege Units, +15% City Defense

Tanks

Spoiler :

M11/39 Medium Tank; 25 , 3 , 500 -10% City Attack
P26/40 Heavy Tank; 28 , 3 , 575 , + 15% vs. Armor.

NOTE - M11/39 reduced city attack due to its fixed primary armament. It only has 15 degrees of rotation, bad for attacking.

 

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Italy Cont'd

Light Tanks

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L3/35 Tankette; 16 , 4 , 425 + 15% vs. Gunpowder Units
L3 Lf Flame Tank; 10 , 4 , 500 , +200% vs. Gunpowder Units, +25% City Attack, +100% Forest/Jungle Attack.
Fiat L6/40; 20 4 , 400 , +25% vs. Gunpowder Units

Aircraft

Spoiler :

Fiat CR-42; 19 , Range 8, 500 , 80% Interception Chance
Fiat G.55; 25 , 500 , Range 16, 85% Interception Chance
Caproni Campini NI; 28 , Range 18, 520 , 90% Interception Chance

Ba.88 Bomber; 3 , Range 16, 500 , Causes Collateral Damage, +10% Collateral Damage
SM/79 Bomber; 10 , Range 26, 500 , Causes Collateral Damage, +10% Collateral Damage,
Ar 234 Jet Bomber; 25 , Range 20:, 500 , Causes Collateral Damage, +10% Collateral Damage

 

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Japan

Infantry

Spoiler :

Japanese Early Infantry; 10 , 2 , 300 , Double movement in Jungle, +10% Jungle Attack, +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Units
Japanese Improved Infantry; 15 , 3 , 300 , Double movement in Jungle, +10% Jungle Attack, +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Units
Japanese Advanced Infantry; 22 , 3 , 300 , Double movement in Jungle, +10% Jungle Attack, +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Units

Tanks

Spoiler :

Type 97 Chi-Ha; 24 , 4 , 450 , +10% vs. Armor,
Type 4 Chi-To; 30 , 3 , 600 , +10% vs. Armor

 

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Japan Cont'd

Light Tanks

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Type 95 Ha-Go; 18 4 , 450 , +15% vs. Gunpowder Units
Ta-Se Antiaircraft Tank; 18 , 4 . 450 , +10% vs. Air units, 50% Interception Chance
Type 98 Ke-Ni; 27 , 4 , 450 , +30% vs. Gunpowder Units

Aircraft

Spoiler :

Ki 27 Fighter; 15 , Range 7, 475 , 70% Interception Chance
A6M Zero Fighter; 25 , Range 31, 550 , 85% Interception Chance
Ki 84 Fighter; 30 , Range 21, 650 , 90% Interception Chance

Mitsubishi G4M; 3 , 40 Range, 600 , Causes Collateral Damage, +40% Evasion Chance
Kawasaki Ki-32; 5 , 19 Range, 400 , Causes Collateral Damage,
Nakajima Kikka; 15 , 10 Range, 500 , Causes Collateral Damage, +50% Evasion Chance

NOTE - IMPORTANT - Dale, flip around the Mitsubishi G4M and the Kawasaki Ki-32, the 32 was used 1937-1942, and the G4M was used 1941-1945.

 

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China

Infantry

Spoiler :

Chinese Early Infantry; 5 , 2 , 200 , +20% City Defense, +50% vs. siege units
Chinese Improved Infantry; 10 , 2 , 200 , +20% City Defense, +50% vs. Siege units
Chinese Advanced Infantry; 20 , 3 , 200 , +20% City Defense, +50% vs. Siege units

Tanks

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China Cont'd

Light Tanks

Spoiler :

T-26; , 4 , ,
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Aircraft

Spoiler :

P40 Warhawk; 14 , Range 10, 450 , 70% Interception Chance
Captured A6M Zero; 20 , Range 30, 600 , 80% Interception Chance
Mig 15 Fighter; 35 , Range 19, 650 , 90% Interception Chance

Tupolev TB-4; 10 , Range 20, 550 , Causes Collateral Damage
Ilyushin Il-4; 15 , Range 38, 650 , Causes Collateral Damage
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France

Infantry

Spoiler :

French Early Infantry; 17 , 2 , 300 , +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Units
French Improved Infantry; 19 , 2 , 300 , +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Units
French Advanced Infantry; 22 , 3 , 300 , +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Units

Tanks

Spoiler :

Bataille B1 Bis Tank; 28 , 2 , 650 , +10% vs. Armor, 0-1 First Strikes
FCM Char 2C; 30 , 2 , 650 ,

 

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France Cont'd

Light Tanks

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Renault R-35; 20 , 2 , 375 , +10% vs. Gunpowder Units,
AMC 34; 20 , 4 , 450 , +10% vs. Gunpowder Units, 2-4 First Strikes
FCM 36; 25 , 2 , 375 , +25% vs. Gunpowder Units

Aircraft

Spoiler :

MS.406; 15 , Range 10, 475 , 60% interception chance
Dewoitine D.520; 18 , Range 12, 450 , 75% interception chance
Breguet 693; 20 , Range 13, 500 , Causes Collateral Damage, 75% interception chance

Amiot 143; 13 , Range 12, 600 , Causes Collateral Damage, +10% Collateral Damage
Amiot 340; 10 , Range 10, 600 , Causes Collateral Damage
Amiot 354; 15 , Range 35, 425 , Causes Collateral Damage, +10% Collateral Damage

NOTE - The French get a great jet bomber, but must sacrifice their improved one's abilities because the 340 was a prototype to test out the ideas that would be incorperated into the 354.

 

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United Kingdom

Infantry

Spoiler :

Commonwealth Early Infantry; 15 , 2 , 330 , +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Units
Commonwealth Improved Infantry; 20 , 3 , 330 , +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Units
Commonwealth Advanced Infantry; 23 , 3 , 330 , +10% City Defense, +25% vs. Siege Units

Tanks

Spoiler :

Crusader III Tank; 22 4 , 525 , +10% Desert Attack, +10% vs. Armor
Mark IV Churchill Tank; 30 , 2 , 675 , +25% vs. Armor, +10% Jungle Attack

NOTE - The Churchill was proven to work very well in jungle terrain.