RR1 -Bond no More !

r_rolo1 · Jul 22, 2008, 09:51 AM

Well, finally I decided to make one SG on my own

Well, as we are in summer and I don't want to make a 30 line ruleset, I decided to explore the 3.17 No Espionage option , that is said to be extremely cheesy

My idea is simple: a nice summer SG, just for fun, where we explore all the cheesy tricks that we can use with the no espionage option ticked ( mainly concerning using espionage slider ans spy specialists as culture generators and the fact that Spy GPP is seen as blank GPP ( it even overflows

) and the fact that you can use another type of specialist to decide the kind of GP you'll get ( assign a enginner over those spies to get a assured GE or a priest to get a GP ...... ) )

If you want to play this , I strongly reccomend you ( not mandatory ) that you use solver's patch or atleast his no espionage fix during it, because Firaxis decided that people playing no-Espionage games don't need to see the demographics

DM ettiquette rules applies. Type of map and civ to be discussed. Dificulty is Monarch.

Screenshots in spoiler below. Save Atached in end of post

Spoiler:

Roster :

r_rolo1
mystyfly
Quotey
BurnEmDown
Ad Hoc
Stuge

mystyfly · Jul 22, 2008, 01:43 PM

I'm in. Maybe some rarely played leader/map? Stalin, Brennus, Mao, Wang, Sally come to mind. Dunno about map, maybe something like hub or so

I'll have a look at how that GP thingie works exactly first though...

r_rolo1 · Jul 22, 2008, 05:11 PM

I was thinking more in a Ind leader... I'm having a idea regarding GW

mystyfly · Jul 22, 2008, 05:15 PM

GW is easy to get without IND - either work a 3H tile for some time or chop it out - shouldn't be a problem.

r_rolo1 · Jul 22, 2008, 05:43 PM

But I want 2 more early wonders in top of it

mystyfly · Jul 22, 2008, 05:48 PM

Please clarify

Which is it, apart from the mids?

Hmm I think ind is fine then. Stalin? He seems to get little love 'round here.

I think though that getting these on monarch is easy (but start dependent), a few chops can do wonders...

Quotey · Jul 22, 2008, 05:53 PM

Requestin' a spot, and suggestin' Roosevelt (IND/ORG). IND and cheap courthouses. I assume a cultural vic would be what you're aiming for. The esp slider early... I can't really think of a use for that. Other thana very early culture slider that doesn't give happiness.

Quote:

Jesus myst, how do you find the time?

mystyfly · Jul 22, 2008, 06:06 PM

Culture would be nice, it's rarely persued too. Dunno about FDR, I'd prefer Louis, not only because it would be easier, but it's also a leader that gets rarely played. And this SG is about fun, right?

SGs are easily handled:
AA04 taking much time when playing (warring mostly), nice discussion otherwise
ICS04 died out. Someone start ICS05

(rolo, you haven't started one of these I think

)
ungy03 is going slowly. Tricky game. Surrounded by protective AIs (QSH + SB) on immortal, fell back a bit, trying to fight our way out.
Qu01 going slowly too. Little discussion so no time-eater.
LK146 little discussion too. Playing 15 turns on epic doesn't take THAT much time.
BUG hunting is nearly over (I think), ruff got his CTD (

), and no need to write reports.
TM-03 Just starting
RR1 dito

Just to give you a little overview

Now the issue of time - it's holidays now, no need to sleep much, can spend the time either gaming (well no offline civgames, only SGs), in the forums or otherwise. It'll become tricky probabely when I start my holiday job but that's still 2 weeks away

Quotey · Jul 22, 2008, 06:15 PM

Ohh, I like the idea of Louis. Never played around with Musketeers before. And the Salon.... well.. the Salon is one of those things.

r_rolo1 · Jul 22, 2008, 06:26 PM

Welcome Quotey

A nice cultural vic would be a nice way of showing cheesy stuff in here. I like it... but not before Democracy. I want to see how cheesy is Sec Bureau and jails with this

Regarding wonders: What I wanted was:

GW
Mids
HG
Forge ( with eng hired )
Courthouse ( with spy hired )

in the same city. 12 GPP/turn for eng generation

Not that easy , but if you could pull it.....

mystyfly · Jul 22, 2008, 06:29 PM

I was thinking you had the HG in mind but wasn't sure. I don't see the point tbh. Cultural victories need culture -> GAs. GEs could "only" rush wonders - but we're IND, aren't we?

r_rolo1 · Jul 22, 2008, 06:31 PM

Settling them + Sistine = culture + hammers

BurnEmDown · Jul 23, 2008, 02:24 AM

I'd like a spot

first SG ever for me

r_rolo1 · Jul 23, 2008, 03:02 AM

BurnEmDown , you're in .....

Ad Hoc · Jul 23, 2008, 03:09 AM

If there is still a place i'll give it a shot

r_rolo1 · Jul 23, 2008, 06:00 AM

You can still bring a friend, Ad Hoc

You're in.

A thing: map script? I'm inclined to pangea with natural shoreline. Thoughts?

P.S In spite of what I said before that I would like to get to Democracy ( just to show the cultural value of Sec bureaus

), that is not mandatory. Probably we can win the game far earlier

stuge · Jul 24, 2008, 01:28 PM

Ooh, ooh, can I get in?

*looks hopeful behind the window*

r_rolo1 · Jul 24, 2008, 01:36 PM

Stuge , you're in

I'm feeling generous today

BTW, the game will be with Stalin, Pangea with Natural shoreline, standart map, normal speed .Will post the start in 1-2 h

mystyfly · Jul 24, 2008, 01:44 PM

wOOt

Finally starting. Curious to see Stalin in action

r_rolo1 · Jul 24, 2008, 02:37 PM

Save and screenshots added to the first post.

I see no possible reason to not settle in spot. Anyone disagrees?

Jul 22, 2008, 01:43 PM	#2
mystyfly Knight of Cydonia Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CH Posts: 3,668	I'm in. Maybe some rarely played leader/map? Stalin, Brennus, Mao, Wang, Sally come to mind. Dunno about map, maybe something like hub or so I'll have a look at how that GP thingie works exactly first though... __________________ ! SGOTM 11 Team One Short Straw Current SGs: No happy people Previous SGs: Short Fun Game \| Immortal slavers! \| RR2 \| UNGY-05 \| RR1 \| UNGY-04 \| Fox-40 \| Vra-04 \| Qu01 (.5) \| AA04 \| LK146 \| UNGY-03 \| ICS 04 \| BUG Hunting \| Fox-30 \| PH13 \| ICS 03 \| UNGY-02 \| AA03 \| WnH01 \| ICS 02 \| UNGY-01 \| AA02 \| My final huzzah \| LK143 \| ICS 01

Jul 22, 2008, 05:11 PM	#3
r_rolo1 King of myself Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 13,818	I was thinking more in a Ind leader... I'm having a idea regarding GW __________________ " I'm the Lord of the lords, not the servant of the serfs" - D. João II of Portugal My Civ lema: Qui vincit non est victor nisi victus fatetur Lonely Hearts Club Bullpen / You , Yourself and your shadow : Some lessons on isolated starts

Jul 22, 2008, 05:15 PM	#4
mystyfly Knight of Cydonia Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CH Posts: 3,668	GW is easy to get without IND - either work a 3H tile for some time or chop it out - shouldn't be a problem. __________________ ! SGOTM 11 Team One Short Straw Current SGs: No happy people Previous SGs: Short Fun Game \| Immortal slavers! \| RR2 \| UNGY-05 \| RR1 \| UNGY-04 \| Fox-40 \| Vra-04 \| Qu01 (.5) \| AA04 \| LK146 \| UNGY-03 \| ICS 04 \| BUG Hunting \| Fox-30 \| PH13 \| ICS 03 \| UNGY-02 \| AA03 \| WnH01 \| ICS 02 \| UNGY-01 \| AA02 \| My final huzzah \| LK143 \| ICS 01

Jul 22, 2008, 05:43 PM	#5
r_rolo1 King of myself Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 13,818	But I want 2 more early wonders in top of it __________________ " I'm the Lord of the lords, not the servant of the serfs" - D. João II of Portugal My Civ lema: Qui vincit non est victor nisi victus fatetur Lonely Hearts Club Bullpen / You , Yourself and your shadow : Some lessons on isolated starts

Jul 22, 2008, 05:48 PM	#6
mystyfly Knight of Cydonia Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CH Posts: 3,668	Please clarify Which is it, apart from the mids? Hmm I think ind is fine then. Stalin? He seems to get little love 'round here. I think though that getting these on monarch is easy (but start dependent), a few chops can do wonders... __________________ ! SGOTM 11 Team One Short Straw Current SGs: No happy people Previous SGs: Short Fun Game \| Immortal slavers! \| RR2 \| UNGY-05 \| RR1 \| UNGY-04 \| Fox-40 \| Vra-04 \| Qu01 (.5) \| AA04 \| LK146 \| UNGY-03 \| ICS 04 \| BUG Hunting \| Fox-30 \| PH13 \| ICS 03 \| UNGY-02 \| AA03 \| WnH01 \| ICS 02 \| UNGY-01 \| AA02 \| My final huzzah \| LK143 \| ICS 01

Jul 22, 2008, 06:06 PM	#8
mystyfly Knight of Cydonia Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CH Posts: 3,668	Culture would be nice, it's rarely persued too. Dunno about FDR, I'd prefer Louis, not only because it would be easier, but it's also a leader that gets rarely played. And this SG is about fun, right? SGs are easily handled: AA04 taking much time when playing (warring mostly), nice discussion otherwise ICS04 died out. Someone start ICS05 (rolo, you haven't started one of these I think ) ungy03 is going slowly. Tricky game. Surrounded by protective AIs (QSH + SB) on immortal, fell back a bit, trying to fight our way out. Qu01 going slowly too. Little discussion so no time-eater. LK146 little discussion too. Playing 15 turns on epic doesn't take THAT much time. BUG hunting is nearly over (I think), ruff got his CTD (), and no need to write reports. TM-03 Just starting RR1 dito Just to give you a little overview Now the issue of time - it's holidays now, no need to sleep much, can spend the time either gaming (well no offline civgames, only SGs), in the forums or otherwise. It'll become tricky probabely when I start my holiday job but that's still 2 weeks away __________________ ! SGOTM 11 Team One Short Straw Current SGs: No happy people Previous SGs: Short Fun Game \| Immortal slavers! \| RR2 \| UNGY-05 \| RR1 \| UNGY-04 \| Fox-40 \| Vra-04 \| Qu01 (.5) \| AA04 \| LK146 \| UNGY-03 \| ICS 04 \| BUG Hunting \| Fox-30 \| PH13 \| ICS 03 \| UNGY-02 \| AA03 \| WnH01 \| ICS 02 \| UNGY-01 \| AA02 \| My final huzzah \| LK143 \| ICS 01

Jul 22, 2008, 06:15 PM	#9
Quotey Emperor Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,455	Ohh, I like the idea of Louis. Never played around with Musketeers before. And the Salon.... well.. the Salon is one of those things.

Jul 22, 2008, 06:26 PM	#10
r_rolo1 King of myself Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 13,818	Welcome Quotey A nice cultural vic would be a nice way of showing cheesy stuff in here. I like it... but not before Democracy. I want to see how cheesy is Sec Bureau and jails with this Regarding wonders: What I wanted was: GW Mids HG Forge ( with eng hired ) Courthouse ( with spy hired ) in the same city. 12 GPP/turn for eng generation Not that easy , but if you could pull it..... __________________ " I'm the Lord of the lords, not the servant of the serfs" - D. João II of Portugal My Civ lema: Qui vincit non est victor nisi victus fatetur Lonely Hearts Club Bullpen / You , Yourself and your shadow : Some lessons on isolated starts

Jul 22, 2008, 06:29 PM	#11
mystyfly Knight of Cydonia Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CH Posts: 3,668	I was thinking you had the HG in mind but wasn't sure. I don't see the point tbh. Cultural victories need culture -> GAs. GEs could "only" rush wonders - but we're IND, aren't we? __________________ ! SGOTM 11 Team One Short Straw Current SGs: No happy people Previous SGs: Short Fun Game \| Immortal slavers! \| RR2 \| UNGY-05 \| RR1 \| UNGY-04 \| Fox-40 \| Vra-04 \| Qu01 (.5) \| AA04 \| LK146 \| UNGY-03 \| ICS 04 \| BUG Hunting \| Fox-30 \| PH13 \| ICS 03 \| UNGY-02 \| AA03 \| WnH01 \| ICS 02 \| UNGY-01 \| AA02 \| My final huzzah \| LK143 \| ICS 01

Jul 22, 2008, 06:31 PM	#12
r_rolo1 King of myself Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 13,818	Settling them + Sistine = culture + hammers __________________ " I'm the Lord of the lords, not the servant of the serfs" - D. João II of Portugal My Civ lema: Qui vincit non est victor nisi victus fatetur Lonely Hearts Club Bullpen / You , Yourself and your shadow : Some lessons on isolated starts

Jul 23, 2008, 02:24 AM	#13
BurnEmDown Emperor Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,713	I'd like a spot first SG ever for me

Jul 23, 2008, 03:02 AM	#14
r_rolo1 King of myself Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 13,818	BurnEmDown , you're in ..... __________________ " I'm the Lord of the lords, not the servant of the serfs" - D. João II of Portugal My Civ lema: Qui vincit non est victor nisi victus fatetur Lonely Hearts Club Bullpen / You , Yourself and your shadow : Some lessons on isolated starts

Jul 23, 2008, 03:09 AM	#15
Ad Hoc Prince Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Norwich , England Posts: 416	If there is still a place i'll give it a shot __________________ When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, looks you crooked in the eye and asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."

Jul 23, 2008, 06:00 AM	#16
r_rolo1 King of myself Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 13,818	You can still bring a friend, Ad Hoc You're in. A thing: map script? I'm inclined to pangea with natural shoreline. Thoughts? P.S In spite of what I said before that I would like to get to Democracy ( just to show the cultural value of Sec bureaus ), that is not mandatory. Probably we can win the game far earlier __________________ " I'm the Lord of the lords, not the servant of the serfs" - D. João II of Portugal My Civ lema: Qui vincit non est victor nisi victus fatetur Lonely Hearts Club Bullpen / You , Yourself and your shadow : Some lessons on isolated starts Last edited by r_rolo1; Jul 23, 2008 at 06:03 AM.

Jul 24, 2008, 01:28 PM	#17
stuge Emperor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The gale-swept forests of Finland Posts: 1,841	Ooh, ooh, can I get in? looks hopeful behind the window __________________ He's dreaming with his eyes open, and those that dream with their eyes open are dangerous, for they do not know when their dreams come to an end.

Jul 24, 2008, 01:36 PM	#18
r_rolo1 King of myself Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 13,818	Stuge , you're in I'm feeling generous today BTW, the game will be with Stalin, Pangea with Natural shoreline, standart map, normal speed .Will post the start in 1-2 h __________________ " I'm the Lord of the lords, not the servant of the serfs" - D. João II of Portugal My Civ lema: Qui vincit non est victor nisi victus fatetur Lonely Hearts Club Bullpen / You , Yourself and your shadow : Some lessons on isolated starts

Jul 24, 2008, 01:44 PM	#19
mystyfly Knight of Cydonia Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CH Posts: 3,668	wOOt Finally starting. Curious to see Stalin in action __________________ ! SGOTM 11 Team One Short Straw Current SGs: No happy people Previous SGs: Short Fun Game \| Immortal slavers! \| RR2 \| UNGY-05 \| RR1 \| UNGY-04 \| Fox-40 \| Vra-04 \| Qu01 (.5) \| AA04 \| LK146 \| UNGY-03 \| ICS 04 \| BUG Hunting \| Fox-30 \| PH13 \| ICS 03 \| UNGY-02 \| AA03 \| WnH01 \| ICS 02 \| UNGY-01 \| AA02 \| My final huzzah \| LK143 \| ICS 01

Jul 24, 2008, 02:37 PM	#20
r_rolo1 King of myself Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 13,818	Save and screenshots added to the first post. I see no possible reason to not settle in spot. Anyone disagrees? __________________ " I'm the Lord of the lords, not the servant of the serfs" - D. João II of Portugal My Civ lema: Qui vincit non est victor nisi victus fatetur Lonely Hearts Club Bullpen / You , Yourself and your shadow : Some lessons on isolated starts

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