Role Play Challenge:Ramesses the Intolerant: Battle of the Builders

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Welcome to my next RPC game, Ramesses the Intolerant: Battle of the Builders! These games are meant to be fun and education, with a unique twist on History or our leaders unique characteristics. This is the first of several concurrent RPCs, to be followed by Suliman and Battle of the Philosphers and Hammarabi in Battle of the Warlords. More of this sub-RPC style may follow.

Ramesses views himself as the God-King of the Egptians and demands proper respect. This must be done two ways, through adopting the religion RAMESSESISM and building (or obtaining them by force) all the Great Wonders of the game to honor his Greatness. All these building are a simple image of himself.

And while we prefer to have fun with these games, of course we want to follow a certain strategy here. I plan to wonderspam (as OBSOLETES walkthoughs were although not limiting us to few cities) as many wonders in the capital of Thebes as well as settle all GPs with the exception of using the first GS for an academy. Only farms and mines in this city.

All other Egyptian cities may be developed as we see fit.

Rules:

1)The very first religion that is spread (or founded) in Egypt must be adopted as Ramessesism and must keep all game. Founding other religions are OK, but only religious buildings/missionaries to Ramessesism are tolerated. NOTE: Ramesses may interact normally with other leaders of different religions, there is no limitation on that.

2) Ramses is limited in civics to: Bureacracy/Caste/SP/OR. All the builder civics when available however he may adopt others up to the unlocking tech. Government he has all the options as US seams to conflict with the WS/SSE game.

3) All wonders MUST be controlled by the end of the game. This includes projects, but not Corp HQs or Holy city shrines except the Shrine of Ramessesism which he must have! Thus we are looking at a late game victory.

Selected leaders

Hyuan Capac
Stalin
Roosevelt
Qin
Bismark
Louis
Agustus

Yes, let's see how well our God-King can out Build all those Industrious leaders.

Settings

Monarch difficulty/Marathon Speed
Big/Little map
All victory conditions are open.

Our Intolerant God-King



Feel free all to bow down and worship your KING. And please, leave approrpiate donations at the front door.

And the start



To be honest I planned to regenerate the map until we got a landlocked start, however I got this one to start!.

OK, we are currently on a plains hill so we get a +1 :hammer: bonus. However, I am considering moving 1 spot west to get on the river and have access to a few more hills. But of course I will move the warrior.

And then there is the techpath!

Ramesses starts with Agriculture and the wheel. I say worker first, and maybe AH, then mining/BW. At that point we shall see what we have.
 
Blimey you get through these games fast Mad. Altogether now:

Bob the builder! (Can you fix it?) Bob the builder (Yesy you can!)

West looks ok, wait till you move the warrior though, I'll bet there is horses/iron/bronze 1W though.

Normally I go AH first with Egypt (and there are sheeps) but with a builder game I dunno...

[EDIT] Egypt is normally a conquest game for me ;)
[EDIT2] or culture with Hatty, after the initail smackdown she just seems too nice to kill everyone else...
 
A builder game huh? Sort of ;).

Actually, since this looks kind of like SGOTM 8 and whatnot, I'll probably make a spoiler appearance. You said control wonders...not necessarily build ;). Although, some are useful to build.

Not sure if it'd be easier to found a religion and adopt it or take one in. Map dependent I'd guess.

By the way, I agree 1 W. You probably want hammers in the capitol, and doing so gives you riverside and extra food-hammer efficient grassland hills, with no noticeable resource loss. I'd advocate worker -----> early AH also. Irrigated corn and sheep! Not bad at all.
 
A builder game huh? Sort of ;).

You said control wonders...not necessarily build ;). Although, some are useful to build.

As I am looking for a WS/SSE game I am looking to build as many as I can. Look for more similarities to the Bismark game than the Napoleon game!
 
There may be metal in the NE corner above the corn; the space looks suspiciously bare. Then again, I really like rivers for trade and levees. Are you going for an early religion? With all these builders, there aren't really any fanatics in this game. Cupac I'd say is the only one who might favour Buddhism.

Edit: Oops, forgot Egypt doesn't get mysticism...
 
There may be metal in the NE corner above the corn; the space looks suspiciously bare. Then again, I really like rivers for trade and levees. Are you going for an early religion? With all these builders, there aren't really any fanatics in this game. Cupac I'd say is the only one who might favour Buddhism.

Edit: Oops, forgot Egypt doesn't get mysticism...

The Oracle slingshot to Code of Laws would be a nice way to get a religion, plus it kills two birds with one stone. Then again considering the theme perhaps getting Christianity from Theology would work better, since that path gets you organized religion and I'm sure Rameses wouldn't want the Apostolic Palace to be controlled by anything other than his holy religion.

I'm also in favor of moving the settler 1W. You traide one forested plains hill for the starting plains hill and a riverside grassland hill... as well as a few hidden tiles which will get shuffled, some may get hills. You can move the warrior to the hill SW, but I don't think it'll reveal much. Of course, I'm sure something awesome is hiding 1N2E just to mess with you. :p
 
The Egyptians weren't really Christians through their history; pagan with hints of Judaism, then Islam. Judaism would fit interestingly into the RPC, and Monotheism is the tech that provides OR, not Theology.
 
As usual, increased speed to epic. I also made our leader GREEN because I like that color :p.

To 1265 AD

Spoiler :
- settled 1w, AH 1st
- Met biz to the west across some water
- 3250 we're on a smallish island. room for a decent # cites. Horse but no need for war chariot here. We have stone so going for SH w/o it then settling a stone city for the pyramids.
- 2525 stonehenge
- settled memphis in 2075 for stone/cow/fish
- 1925 caesar by WB
- 1875 GW in thebes
- 1650 gems pop in thebes :lol:. Come on...I want this to be legit!
- 1425 Mids completed in thebes. I used 1 chop on henge and 1 chop on mids. Not bad so far!
- 1325 I pop a GP and settle it
- 1075 Oracle built elsewhere
- 700 Hanging gardens in thebes
- 350 Another GP in Thebes, settled again.
- 260 Taoism founded! That's all religions but christianity and islam! None spread to me yet but biz is confuc and augustus is buddhist, matter of time.
- 215 Statue of zeus in thebes
- 20 BC Confuc. spreads. I am confucian!
- 10 AD Parthenon completed
- Met roosevelt, traded for some useful stuff like OR tech and whatnot
- 145 AD AP is buddhist grrrr.
- 175 GE in thebes. Settled. We don't need to hurry wonders.
- 190 I got beat to chicken pizza! This is outrageous! Someone will die for this!
- 310 TGL in thebes
- 400 Another GP settled in thebes.
- 550 AD Angkor Wat in thebes
- 610 GE in thebes. Settled...there aren't any wonders to build ATM.
- 835 FINALLY a GS, academy! Worth 40 BPT by itself!
- 1030 I get an ARTIST :(. Settled.
- 1090 I declare on bismark - need the confucian holy city and his wonders!
- 1120 I march into Berlin with much difficulty - not wanting to give him time to garrison more troops I took it @ 80% culture d :cry:.
- 1265 I capture biz's confuc. holy city and make the kong miao same turn.
- Augustus declares on me, I murder his miserable little stack with 1 loss to his 6 losses, and then about 3 people declare on bismark. I don't see any wonders left to take from bis, so I take capitulation. Rome DOES have wonders, and I'll be wanting them.
 
Ramesses is my favorite leader so I feel obligated to chime in. Don't REX, tech animal husbandry and settle your 2nd city next to some horsies. The war chariots are a great UU. In an immortal game I successfully used them to take out 2 neighbors on epic speed, so with marathon speed there is no reason why you can't capture some early capitals. Hopefully, one of these capitals will have your Ramessism religion. His unique building is a monument, so I commonly will prioritize stonehenge and obviously the pyramids. What is nice is that his UB allows you to run specialists earlier then the other civs, which means quicker GP. A settled great prophet at the beginning can be huge, and you can pretty much guarentee yourself a prophet for a shrine if one of the capitols you capture has Ramessism. Good luck, as always I'll be lurking.
 
Ramesses is my favorite leader so I feel obligated to chime in. Don't REX, tech animal husbandry and settle your 2nd city next to some horsies. The war chariots are a great UU. In an immortal game I successfully used them to take out 2 neighbors on epic speed, so with marathon speed there is no reason why you can't capture some early capitals. Hopefully, one of these capitals will have your Ramessism religion. His unique building is a monument, so I commonly will prioritize stonehenge and obviously the pyramids. What is nice is that his UB allows you to run specialists earlier then the other civs, which means quicker GP. A settled great prophet at the beginning can be huge, and you can pretty much guarentee yourself a prophet for a shrine if one of the capitols you capture has Ramessism. Good luck, as always I'll be lurking.

Spoiler information about starting position:

Spoiler :
Impossible, he's not isolated but he's on his own land mass. War chariots take a back seat here, even for me :p. He also has stone to the NE so might as well make use of it!
 
Spoiler :
Well that sucks, at least he has stone, should be a helluva wonder spam then.
 
The Egyptians weren't really Christians through their history; pagan with hints of Judaism, then Islam. Judaism would fit interestingly into the RPC, and Monotheism is the tech that provides OR, not Theology.

Judaism would be pretty ironic, and you'd get all sorts of politically incorrect biblical flavor. :whipped:

Also yeah I know monotheism gives OR, just saying there's a good reason to take that route. But it depends how early you want to go for the religion at the cost of crucial early techs. We'll have to see how it goes... Islam would probably make the most sense from a role play standpoint but there's no way he can wait that long.
 
The Egyptians weren't really Christians through their history; pagan with hints of Judaism, then Islam. Judaism would fit interestingly into the RPC, and Monotheism is the tech that provides OR, not Theology.

There was a Christian interlude during the Roman and Byzantine era and Alexandria was home to 1 of the 4 patriarchs who led pre-Islamic conquest Christianity. Its also home to the Coptic Orthodox Church.

Less OT I'll add my voice to the chorus of go 1 west
 
I say move 1W. These hills will be really helpful, especially if copper/iron/coal/something else turns up in them.
I advice Animal Husbandry, Mining, Bronze, and Masonry. Ramsesism can wait for confucianism or christianity.
 
Heya!
I like to play your games, with your rules ofc, but the civics rule not entirely clear to me (maybe my english :) ) . Can you explain a bit more?

2) Ramses is limited in civics to: Bureacracy/Caste/SP/OR.
That's clear: so no slavery and such

All the builder civics when available however he may adopt others up to the unlocking tech.
???
Government he has all the options as US seams to conflict with the WS/SSE game.
ok, so all goverment (US is universal suffrage? i never adopt that anyway :) )

Thx and good luck
 
Looking through the pre-game I saw " first GS used for academy, all others must be settled" and then saw "this city is going to be Wonderland: only farms and mines". Why do you need an academy?

Edit: I guess if you manage to nab the pyramids an academy could come in useful!
 
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