DMI XIII - The CTON

·Imhotep· · Nov 17, 2008, 04:41 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I'm back for another part in the great, but yet short history of the DMI series

. This time we will make a journey to a world almost wholly different to Single Player Civ - we will play a game style that is very popular on Multiplayer. Now what exactly is a CTON? The abbreviation stands for "Cannot Talk Or Negotiate" and means a game with the following settings:

Map: Inland Sea
Options: Always War, No tech Trading, No Tech Brokering
City Elimination: 2 cities
Game Length: 130 or 140 turns
Speed: Quick
Timer: Blazing

Now the basic concept is that every player is at war with his neighbor from the get-go. No game-related talk between players is allowed so as to prevent teaming up on purpose.

We will try to resemble that game in a game vs. the AI as best as possible. Game Length and City Elimination of course won't work in Single Player, and the timer is not available either. But the rest should work after some savegame manipulation

, so we'll play a true always war game where the AI is at war with each other too.

To prevent choking and camping in the early game - which the AI doesn't handle this well - we can't enter enemy borders for the first 50 turns, except attacking with a SoD. Difficulty will be Emperor+.

Starting save and Civ/leader after the roster is finalized. I'm looking for 6 players of my choice

.

Imhotep

pigswill · Nov 17, 2008, 05:25 PM

I'll volunteer to be the first player to be rejected.

Ozbenno · Nov 17, 2008, 06:34 PM

Is this a hot-seat game or a SP game against the AI? I've never played any MP so I don't fully get the variant

berserks01 · Nov 17, 2008, 06:53 PM

Same here. I'm still in the process of working the game concept in my head to see if I should join or not ...

GreyFox · Nov 17, 2008, 08:41 PM

If you don't mind me disappearing for one whole week starting this saturday, I won't mind being drafted ... ... ...

Conroe · Nov 17, 2008, 09:31 PM

Sounds like an single player AW game at quick speed to me. I guess he is going to modify the WB save to set all of the AI at war with each other, based on the "save game manipulation" statement. No clue how he stops them from negotiating, though.

Ought to be interesting either way. I'd love to join you, as well ...

Ozbenno · Nov 17, 2008, 11:09 PM

I think you can set up in WB a true all in always war situation but not sure. I think I get what's going on here and I'd never say no to an AW game.

RRRaskolnikov · Nov 18, 2008, 07:45 AM

Hi guys... this seems crazy! I'd be interested If you have still one slot...

I don't have much experience in AW but willing to learn

I can play Immortal normal settings when sober... chieftain drunk

Anyways, I already asked myself how to set up a game like this ("true" AW with AI-AI wars) but coudln't figured it out...

Cheers,
Raskolnikov

berserks01 · Nov 18, 2008, 07:46 AM

You guys are ALL WAR JUNKIES!!!!! The fact that I love it as well is besides the point

MyOtherCar · Nov 18, 2008, 11:13 AM

Having just played a peaceful builders game being almost perpetually in war, with you, I'm game for an AW variant where every AI will probably make peace after 50 turns or so

LKendter · Nov 18, 2008, 03:09 PM

I will be waiting for DMI 14. The thought of a timer is a big turn off for me. I hate real time pressures...

sunrise089 · Nov 18, 2008, 07:10 PM

No timer LK...that's just used in the MP setting that Imhotep is attempting the emulate.

I've taken a long time off from SGs, but I'm up for a spot if one's available as long as Imhotep can live with a few skips and/or swaps during the holidays.

Jet · Nov 19, 2008, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conroe

SNo clue how he stops them from negotiating, though.

You can select the "Always War Or Peace" option, then edit the WorldBuilder save file in a text editor to set the civs at war with each other. I think that does the trick.

·Imhotep· · Nov 19, 2008, 12:39 PM

Roster duty:

Imhotep
Atlas
pigswill
Ozbenno
berserks01
GreyFox
sunrise089

Okay, roster is finalized. Welcome all guys!

Now let's discuss leader and civ...

Imhotep

RRRaskolnikov · Nov 19, 2008, 12:46 PM

Good luck guys... will be lurking

Cheers,

Raskolnikov

Ozbenno · Nov 19, 2008, 01:44 PM

Cyrus is probably the best AW leader (Immortals, Imperialistic, Charismatic). You can never knock Rome or Boudicea in these games either.

If we want something a little less used, how about Mehmed (Expansive/Organised) or Suleiman (Philosophical/Imperialistic). Ottomans UB is an aqueduct with extra happiness and the UU is a musket with bonuses against virtually everything.

GreyFox · Nov 19, 2008, 02:04 PM

The variant doesn't seems to call for any particular leader. Personally I like to try Ethopia ... Zara seems to manage to be the Top dog in all of my recent games (not that the number is as high as it used to be), but I would love to know if it is a pure coincident.

Having said that, as I mentioned, as the variant doesn't really call for a specific leader, i'm fine to go along with any.

sunrise089 · Nov 19, 2008, 02:54 PM

I'm fine with whatever Imhotep wants. If we're really trying to emulate MP CTONs we can use someone like Jao who would be ideal against humans playing for score.

berserks01 · Nov 19, 2008, 02:56 PM

Oh crap ... I'm more worried about the Fox

than anything else

pigswill · Nov 19, 2008, 03:54 PM

There's a reasonable chance of picking up a tech lead and/or tasty wonders while all the AIs are assembling giant stacks and beating the shoot out of each other. The trick is to survive long enough at the start.

Protective seems a pretty safe choice, maybe even financial leading us to Wang and the Mighty Hwachas.

Nov 17, 2008, 04:41 PM	#1
·Imhotep· Legendary Builder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 2,003	DMI XIII - The CTON Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm back for another part in the great, but yet short history of the DMI series . This time we will make a journey to a world almost wholly different to Single Player Civ - we will play a game style that is very popular on Multiplayer. Now what exactly is a CTON? The abbreviation stands for "Cannot Talk Or Negotiate" and means a game with the following settings: Map: Inland Sea Options: Always War, No tech Trading, No Tech Brokering City Elimination: 2 cities Game Length: 130 or 140 turns Speed: Quick Timer: Blazing Now the basic concept is that every player is at war with his neighbor from the get-go. No game-related talk between players is allowed so as to prevent teaming up on purpose. We will try to resemble that game in a game vs. the AI as best as possible. Game Length and City Elimination of course won't work in Single Player, and the timer is not available either. But the rest should work after some savegame manipulation , so we'll play a true always war game where the AI is at war with each other too. To prevent choking and camping in the early game - which the AI doesn't handle this well - we can't enter enemy borders for the first 50 turns, except attacking with a SoD. Difficulty will be Emperor+. Starting save and Civ/leader after the roster is finalized. I'm looking for 6 players of my choice . Imhotep __________________ Current: Like a Sir!, Rise of the Pasha [K-Mod] Finished: DMI series: DMI II - The Tale of Snaga (Space Race Victory as Vassal of Roosevelt !) , DMI III - Casanova (1832 AD Diplo Win) , DMI IV - the Grand Line (1635 AD Conquest Win on Emperor) , DMI V - Fata Morgana (2024 AD Conquest Win Emperor True AW) , DMI VI - The Mearas (~1900 AD Diplo Win @Monarch), DMI VII - Celebrity Deathmatch , DMI VIII - The War of Wrath , DMI IX - The Vampire Lord and the Tower of Mastery (FfH2) , DMI X - A noble way to Deity , DMI XI - Hyborem's Whisper (FfH2) , DMI XII - Imhotep's Legacy , DMI XIII - The CTON, DMI XIV - The Code of Junil (FfH), DMI XV - Gorgeous Cathy (BULL Mod) (currently on hold) "Choice. The problem is choice." (Neo) Last edited by ·Imhotep·; Nov 17, 2008 at 04:45 PM.

Nov 17, 2008, 05:25 PM	#2
pigswill fly (one day) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: berkshire, england Posts: 6,841	I'll volunteer to be the first player to be rejected. __________________ Do not despise the pig for having no wings, for who is to say it will not become a dragon

Nov 17, 2008, 06:34 PM	#3
Ozbenno Fly Fly Away Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 10,569	Is this a hot-seat game or a SP game against the AI? I've never played any MP so I don't fully get the variant __________________ Civ III Hall of Fame Civ IV Hall of Fame Civ V Hall of Fame

Nov 17, 2008, 06:53 PM	#4
berserks01 Obviously Very Confused Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: MA Posts: 1,727	Same here. I'm still in the process of working the game concept in my head to see if I should join or not ... __________________ "What are we doing tonite, Brain?" "The same thing we do every night, Pinky." "Try to take over the WORLD!!!!!! .... "

Nov 17, 2008, 11:09 PM	#7
Ozbenno Fly Fly Away Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 10,569	I think you can set up in WB a true all in always war situation but not sure. I think I get what's going on here and I'd never say no to an AW game. __________________ Civ III Hall of Fame Civ IV Hall of Fame Civ V Hall of Fame

Nov 17, 2008, 08:41 PM	#5
GreyFox Make it so ... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Where No One Has Gone Before Posts: 5,553	If you don't mind me disappearing for one whole week starting this saturday, I won't mind being drafted ... ... ...

Nov 17, 2008, 09:31 PM	#6
Conroe √∞ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 2,587	Sounds like an single player AW game at quick speed to me. I guess he is going to modify the WB save to set all of the AI at war with each other, based on the "save game manipulation" statement. No clue how he stops them from negotiating, though. Ought to be interesting either way. I'd love to join you, as well ...

Nov 18, 2008, 07:45 AM	#8
RRRaskolnikov Goldfish Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paname Posts: 3,742	Hi guys... this seems crazy! I'd be interested If you have still one slot... I don't have much experience in AW but willing to learn I can play Immortal normal settings when sober... chieftain drunk Anyways, I already asked myself how to set up a game like this ("true" AW with AI-AI wars) but coudln't figured it out... Cheers, Raskolnikov __________________ "I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not sure." Umberto Eco

Nov 18, 2008, 07:46 AM	#9
berserks01 Obviously Very Confused Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: MA Posts: 1,727	You guys are ALL WAR JUNKIES!!!!! The fact that I love it as well is besides the point __________________ "What are we doing tonite, Brain?" "The same thing we do every night, Pinky." "Try to take over the WORLD!!!!!! .... "

Nov 18, 2008, 11:13 AM	#10
MyOtherCar The answer is 42 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 231	Having just played a peaceful builders game being almost perpetually in war, with you, I'm game for an AW variant where every AI will probably make peace after 50 turns or so __________________ My SG win streak is broken: I lost my second game . Played:LK143, DMI-X A noble way to Deity, DMI XII - Imhotep's Legacy

Nov 18, 2008, 03:09 PM	#11
LKendter Deity Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Quakertown, PA Posts: 15,928	I will be waiting for DMI 14. The thought of a timer is a big turn off for me. I hate real time pressures... __________________ Check out Lee's civ site . You can read about my RB games. NEW Oct 15, 2012 - Added Civ4 Adv55. The LK series is back - LK148, world map as Greece is in progress

Nov 18, 2008, 07:10 PM	#12
sunrise089 Not that good Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 796	No timer LK...that's just used in the MP setting that Imhotep is attempting the emulate. I've taken a long time off from SGs, but I'm up for a spot if one's available as long as Imhotep can live with a few skips and/or swaps during the holidays. __________________ Realms Beyond! Currently Playing: RBP7 - Always War pitposs over at Realms Beyond

Nov 19, 2008, 12:39 PM	#14
·Imhotep· Legendary Builder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 2,003	Roster duty: Imhotep Atlas pigswill Ozbenno berserks01 GreyFox sunrise089 Okay, roster is finalized. Welcome all guys! Now let's discuss leader and civ... Imhotep __________________ Current: Like a Sir!, Rise of the Pasha [K-Mod] Finished: DMI series: DMI II - The Tale of Snaga (Space Race Victory as Vassal of Roosevelt !) , DMI III - Casanova (1832 AD Diplo Win) , DMI IV - the Grand Line (1635 AD Conquest Win on Emperor) , DMI V - Fata Morgana (2024 AD Conquest Win Emperor True AW) , DMI VI - The Mearas (~1900 AD Diplo Win @Monarch), DMI VII - Celebrity Deathmatch , DMI VIII - The War of Wrath , DMI IX - The Vampire Lord and the Tower of Mastery (FfH2) , DMI X - A noble way to Deity , DMI XI - Hyborem's Whisper (FfH2) , DMI XII - Imhotep's Legacy , DMI XIII - The CTON, DMI XIV - The Code of Junil (FfH), DMI XV - Gorgeous Cathy (BULL Mod) (currently on hold) "Choice. The problem is choice." (Neo) Last edited by ·Imhotep·; Nov 20, 2008 at 07:25 AM.

Nov 19, 2008, 12:46 PM	#15
RRRaskolnikov Goldfish Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paname Posts: 3,742	Good luck guys... will be lurking Cheers, Raskolnikov __________________ "I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not sure." Umberto Eco

Nov 19, 2008, 01:44 PM	#16
Ozbenno Fly Fly Away Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 10,569	Cyrus is probably the best AW leader (Immortals, Imperialistic, Charismatic). You can never knock Rome or Boudicea in these games either. If we want something a little less used, how about Mehmed (Expansive/Organised) or Suleiman (Philosophical/Imperialistic). Ottomans UB is an aqueduct with extra happiness and the UU is a musket with bonuses against virtually everything. __________________ Civ III Hall of Fame Civ IV Hall of Fame Civ V Hall of Fame

Nov 19, 2008, 02:04 PM	#17
GreyFox Make it so ... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Where No One Has Gone Before Posts: 5,553	The variant doesn't seems to call for any particular leader. Personally I like to try Ethopia ... Zara seems to manage to be the Top dog in all of my recent games (not that the number is as high as it used to be), but I would love to know if it is a pure coincident. Having said that, as I mentioned, as the variant doesn't really call for a specific leader, i'm fine to go along with any.

Nov 19, 2008, 02:54 PM	#18
sunrise089 Not that good Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 796	I'm fine with whatever Imhotep wants. If we're really trying to emulate MP CTONs we can use someone like Jao who would be ideal against humans playing for score. __________________ Realms Beyond! Currently Playing: RBP7 - Always War pitposs over at Realms Beyond

Nov 19, 2008, 02:56 PM	#19
berserks01 Obviously Very Confused Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: MA Posts: 1,727	Oh crap ... I'm more worried about the Fox than anything else __________________ "What are we doing tonite, Brain?" "The same thing we do every night, Pinky." "Try to take over the WORLD!!!!!! .... "

Nov 19, 2008, 03:54 PM	#20
pigswill fly (one day) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: berkshire, england Posts: 6,841	There's a reasonable chance of picking up a tech lead and/or tasty wonders while all the AIs are assembling giant stacks and beating the shoot out of each other. The trick is to survive long enough at the start. Protective seems a pretty safe choice, maybe even financial leading us to Wang and the Mighty Hwachas. __________________ Do not despise the pig for having no wings, for who is to say it will not become a dragon

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