General Team Info

This thread is here to help you get quickly oriented to our team.

Here's what you need to do:

1. Swing by the Team Lounge and introduce yourself!
2. Find out what's been happening so far by reading our Turn Update thread (updates from our turnplayer - please don't post in this thread!)
3. Read about how our team works in post #2 of this thread (below)
4. Read all the technical details of accessing the PitBoss server and our team e-mail in post #3 and #4 below.
5. Dive in and have fun!

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TaoSAN I – the Art of Authority


TaoSAN II – The Art of Governance


TaoSAN III – The Art of Organization


TaoSAN IV. The Art of Change

I am sure you know that you first need to put the disc into the drive first to play the game.

Remember that you need to be playing with version 3.17 of BTS.

Otherwise you cannot play or look at the file. To get the latest version just click on advanced and then click on check for updates, or go to the download section of this site.



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Once you have done that you will get a progress screen that shows the downloading of the game and then you will get to a set up a screen and then you will be in the game.


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Once you have looked around, you go to the exit button [not the end turn button!] and click on exit to main menu.

Don't ever "exit to desktop" when you're done.
Always use "exit to the main menu."
This could crash the server for everyone if you do it incorrectly.

Go to Google Mail

And use these credentials:

If you'd like to suggest a tea name, please visit the Domestic's thread.

Note: there is a 15 character limit on all city names.


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A Short game introduction and history, for feralminded and Dreylin. Hope you find it helpful, and I'm sorry it took a while to write; labs for the past two days and a formal meal have taken up a fair chunk of my time.


Sulla showed us the picture of our start and it was good; we could see a coastal fish, and a plains hill forest in the the first 8 tiles, with an irrigated plains wheat in the outer 12 tiles, with the settler standing on a plains hill, and to top it all off we started with agri and fishing. So a quick, 6 turn workboat followed by a worker got us the fastest start of any team. researching mining then BW allowed the worker to chop 2 forests, one into another worker and settler at size 2, and the new worker contributed another forest chop, so that we got our first settler out by turn 30, to settle the Copper Kettle site, with an irrigated wheat, copper, and most importantly 7 forests. While CK built our third warrior, the glorious Stuy who is now exploring to our west, the capital, Inner Sanctum produced 2 more workers, chop assisted, and a third settler, which built what may be our future capital site, Jade Dew, situated in the southern jungle with cows, 2 sugars, and 3 ivories. At size 2 Ck built a fifth worker. The tech path we followed after BW was completed may seem unwise, and it almost turned out to be a massive mistake; Wheel>Hunting>Pottery>AH, allowed us to speed the settling of Copper Kettle by getting 2 roads in place, and gave us the maximum ammount of multipliers to our research speed. As of yet we haven;t been able to realise the pasture on the cow due to our race to the Oracle. We got a little lucky, and by the time this time we got our first warrior, Barentz, to 5XP as a woodsman 2 scout, that so far has uncovered all of the FoW to our south and east of where CK is settled.

The Oracle came to the forefront of our discussions around the time we started AH, around t34. We knew that we had expanded faster than all of the other teams, the first team with a second and at least equal timing to a third city. We knew that we had gems and ivory, and that our first two cities, IS and CK were great production cities, capable of 26 hammers per turn at sizes 8 and 7 respectively with forges, and that we were not in need of any other techs in an urgent manner. So, we decided to go straight for Priesthood after AH, via meditation, and we managed to get the estimated turn of arrival down from turn 63 to turn 59, via various optimisations, but when Team Cavaleiros founded Buddhism immedatily after our turn 46, while we were still 6 turns from finishing meditation ourselves, we changed our aims from growth and getting the Oracle in CK with a few chops to all out getting the Oracle to screw them over as much as possible and get Metal Casting for ourselves. We chopped out a sixth worker instead of a granary in IS, which was still at size 3, shortly after building the settler for JD, made IS work the coast while growing, and got a cottage down in JD to work, so we shot straight from bottom of the GNP and top of the MFG to the opposite rankings, and sent all of the workers over to CK in preparation for a massive deforestation campaign. Micromanaging it so that CK built a granary manually until it was almost complete and timing it so that we could chop 2 forests into it the turn that we tech priesthood (as techs are finished at the end of a turn) for maximum overflow, we then chopped the remaining 5 forests the next turn to complete the Oracle in 1 turn with a perfect stealth build; the only way a team could have realised we were going for the Oracle was that on turn 54 we completed a tech 2 turns after completing another tech, which must have been Priesthood. Unfortunately for the Cavs, it therefore required a team to finish the oracle in 1 turn themselves without having any turns to prepare for it. So, on Turn 55, we painted a target on our backs; the first team to a wonder, the first team to three cities, the first team to the classical era, and the team with the highest soldier points with 4 warriors We met Kaz shortly after this, around turn 60, and we have been playing diplomatic pingpong with them, as they want Metal Casting off us, and we don't wish to sell it to them until we are a lock on the Collosus.

So far as we have only met Kazakstan, which is why the diplomacy threads aren't that active...although the two domestics threads, micromanagement specific and macrostrategy are fairly active. The micro thread was also the general planning thread until about a week ago, so that we could more easily focus on both the long term and short term aims of the team. The Demographics thread contains all of the infomation that we have managed to discern about the other teams from the demographics screens and score increases, which is a fair amount, enough to understand their various strategies, but not much more than that.

So, please feel free to contribute posts where ever you are willing, and also don't be afraid to ask questions about past current or future strategy, as not everything may be understandable and everything can be improved. One note however; The Played Turns thread is only for the person who played the turn to post an update about what happened for that specific turn, ie worker moves, scoputing pictures, city screens etc.

Very nice recap Krill....I was here the whole time, and still totally enjoyed the precision of the explanation.

@ feralminded and Dreylin....welcome aboard, please contribute as many fresh ideas as possible, they will surely help us in the long run!!!

Krill said:

Sulla showed us the picture of our start and it was good; we could see a coastal fish, and a plains hill forest in the the first 8 tiles, with an irrigated plains wheat in the outer 12 tiles, with the settler standing on a plains hill, and to top it all off we started with agri and fishing.

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You left out the part where you guys complained about having jungle tiles in the capital's starting radius.

I agree, a very nice summary post there from Krill. Now that you've painted a target on your backs though, where do you go from here? Hmmm. It should be fun watching to see what happens.

Now we get so far in front no one by themselves has a chance against us, forcing them to pair up to take us down. When they do that, we try to balance things out between the pairs by pointing out that the pair that takes us out (which by t130 two teams shouldn't be able to do if all goes well) gets an awful lot of extra land and cities, meaning the second pair will not have a hope in hell, so we pair up with the weaker pair to take out the stronger pair. Give the weaker pair some pretty good tech deals, offer them a more than fair chunk of the stronger pairs lands when we kill them in a 3v2 etc. Hopefully Kaz and Cav join together, because then Saturn and MS are much more likely to agree to a 3v2 IMO, if we explain to them that Kaz and Cav are doing much better than Saturn and MS in expansion, pop growth and hence all of demographics.

If we get 3v1'd then things could get a little hairy, but depending on when we got attacked and what infrastructure, cities we already had down, and how prepared we were, a 3v1 is occasionally defendable against. If they unite in a 4v1 then we don't have a hope in hell, but no team would agree to a 4v1, it would be horrendous trying to figure out who gets what afterwards.

We really need to make contact with as many civs as possible over the next 20 turns; that will allow us to shape our economy, research targets and city placements to best take advantage of our situation. IF we haven't found anyone in that time...then it's a good job we have a 672 beaker tech stashed away to break into the trading scene with.

And about the Jungle...that's an incentive to research IW early; you already did that by giving us gems that were easily reachable but also in a position that they were best left until later. The jungle in the cap is just annoying and isn't going to affect a competant teams research, which is why I wonder about the reasons you placed it there. I can think of a lot of different reasons but they only make sense depending on other factors that aren't yet apparent on the map.

I dont' know that we ARE all that far ahead.

We have a 1 tech lead (granted, that's a big tech), but Oracle is a 1 shot wonder, other than the GP points. We aren't in the lead in GNP, despite being financial, creative and being the only team with a wonder. Cavalieros, in particular, is likely to outexpand us, even if they start from behind. Two civs have a religion, which we do not.

I think we have a slight advantage, but it's not a big one.

See here for the first 55 turns of the game: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=7756975&postcount=11 (it's post 11 in this thread).

So, between turns 55 and 60 we were jsut trying to get our economy back on track, and then we met Kaz on t60. We offered them a deal for writing and alphabet, whereby they would get myst/med/ph and IW, but they turned us down, claiming they had already got a deal with another team for them (which was Cav, as we had earlier predicted). We got a forge in IS, so we could get out a GE (due on t100) for the pyramids, whilst getting out 2 axes and a settler for city 4 in CK; the axes proved perfectly timed to deal with the horde of barbs that threw themselves at us, leading to all of our axes haveing at least 1 promo, even though we have yet to build a barracks.

We met MS on t69, and Memphus declared war on them (accidentally, or so he claims ) which we quickly glossed over, but since that time MS have refused point blank to communicate with us out of the game for whatever reason, except once when we called them out on deliberately ignoring us. We've basically ignored them, and written them off as a lost cause.

Cav were met on t70, and by this point were up alphabet, and monarchy. After approaching them for a possible tech trade, and trying to work with them, we decided that we were not going to play nice with them after they constantly rebuffed us. We allowed them to declare war to pass through our borders...but after they got to just inside the western edge of IS' borders, we demanded peace in game, and they accepted. What they didn;t know is that we had just planted FC, keeping theem between the cities for 10 turns because of the peace treaty. They weren't happy...but what goes around, comes around.

We settled cities 4 (Fog and Cloud) and 5 (Oolong Orchid) on t71 and t76 respectively, after our main rivals in Kaz and Cav, but before the other teams. Now was the long, hard slog to keep up with Cav in growth, even though we have slower traits than them. kaz started to fall behind at this point, as they had gotten a lib in their capital, and were pushing out a quick GS for an academy, which landed on t75. Around this time, Saturn were beaten to CoL by Kaz due to turn order (Kaz are team one, Saturn team two)...we knew Saturn weren't having a great game through rough reading of the demographics, but that was just harsh. Ourselves, we finished Sailing (t71) and writing (t75) then stoped researching, putting the sole beaker per turn into masonry, which we knew we would need for the Pyramids, at the least. The saved gold would, worst case, have gone into CoL, if we could not have found Saturn in time, so we could use Rep and caste to tech quickly.



Around t79, Cav started to act a little strangely, as if they were considering an alliance with us...and then they decided against it, seemingly happy to keep working with MS and Kaz. They were pushing ahead at this point, up alphabet, maths, CoL, monarchy, masonry, polytheism, monotheism...we were looking quite sick, and praying we could find Saturn to trade with. Then Cav finished the GW...meh, not like we had designs on that wonder.

Turn 79 was also the turn CK got to size 7 and the forge finished, we were making 49 hammers/turn out of IS and CK, and were abotu to start expanding properly. That's why the next 11 turns were quite boring, apart from an MM perspective, as we had to drive a road through the hills to the gold site in teh east, and through the jungle to DT, and have enough units to protect both. Surficed to say we survived We got an axe out of Ck, and along with the original garrison axe, they were sent to Angle to start killing the warriors and destroy the city, for resettling in what was mistakenly thought to be a better position, 1N of the current city.

Turn 90 we found Saturn (or rather, vice versa). We sent them a rpeformed letter asking them for an alliance, and after a long, and succesful chat, we had an alliance in place (only took 3 hours to hammer out the details, but another 3 days to get the confiming email). We sent them MC straight up, and got CoL and alphabet, promising to research currency which is due next turn. The rest of teh history with Saturn can be read in the diplomacy thread, because it tells the story quite well IMO.

T94, Kaz turned up within range of Angle with a chariot, and after refusing the leave we declared war to stop them getting a city in a dangerous position, which when culture bombed would destroy our chances of expanding safely. So far the current tally is a level 4 axe for 2 chariots...although it won't stay that way for long...

If there are any questions...asking them here is probably the best place.

Hmmmm, I like how you completely failed to mention Angle and why we're at war with Kaz....

That has been covered enough in the past, what, week?

They don't won't us to have Angle. We don't want them to have Angle. QED WAR!

We have a stronger military, and the majority is already in place.

That's a nice summary, but for some reason they describe the same events differently in the Cav forum. I wonder why that is...