So pathetic, I'm at a loss of words.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081205/ap_en_mu/coldplay_copyright_infringement

I heard his little song and it sounds only somewhat simular to Viva la vida...

Not only that, but it's not even half as good. The main beat goes no where near breaking the seven note rule (which I'm very familiar with since I now compose music myself) not to mention the main "simular" part which is simply some of the guitar parts sound simular to the melodic line but even that does not break the seven note rule. In order for it to be legally copying seven notes have to be EXACTLY the same. Not only are they not exactly the same but there are no seven notes that are exactly simular. Not to mention its not even the melodic line so even if it did I'm not sure that that would be "copying" at least not legally.

God people are such whiners. There have been more songs written throughout the ages than there are people on this earth... There are only twelve notes (including the half notes) in an octive... With that being said there are going to be some simularties sometimes. I hope some obsessed Coldplay fan hunts this guy's songs down and find some simularities with a song made before it so he can be accused of "copying" as well. Oh wait, that wouldn't work because no one even cares about this Moron's songs because they all SUCK!
 
Clearly you're not at a loss for words..:mischief:
That said, the guy's an idiot.
 
IF they took his music, I hope he cleans them out for copyright infringement.
 
Alpine Trooper said:
im at a loss for words that anyone gives a . .. .. .. . about coldplay
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They've sold over 40 million albums, and have seven grammies. Only Lil' Wayne has more...

With that being said, your at a loss of words for a LOT of people.
 
Nice little story in regards to this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462324,00.html

Joe Satriani, the famed and respected guitarist, has filed suit again Chris Martin and Coldplay.

The issue: that their soaring, magnificent song, “Viva La Vida,” also the title track from their Grammy-nominated albumof the same name, is plagiarized.

Satriani says a major portion of the song comes from his 2004 instrumental, “If I Could Fly.” The song is on his 10th album, “Is There Love in Space?” Listen to it and decide for yourself. And a You Tuber has already done the comparison work if you’re interested. Yikes!

Frankly, the similarity is shocking. It’s not going to take a musicologist very long to testify on this one. Not only are the two strikingly similar, the melody, the chord structure is surprisingly reminiscent of “Viva La Vida.” Listening to it, you can only wonder why it wasn’t a hit in the first place. That, of course, is another story altogether!

The Coldplay record is credited to all four members of the group. So the question will be, which one of them heard “If I Could Fly” and transposed it over to the group, either by accident or intentionally.

In the meantime, this should pose a dilemma for the Grammy Awards. One listen to that link above by the committee that bestowed nominations on Coldplay and they’re going to be in a bind. Of course, the obvious answer is to let the courts decide the outcome. But right now the Grammys are set up almost as a coronation for Coldplay come February 8th. It’s not good.

Of course, there are other instances of this sort of thing that remain so far out of the courts. As I’ve written before, the family of the late Curtis Mayfield is furious about John Mayer’s hit, “Waiting on the World to Change.” It sounds eerily close to Mayfield’s classic, “People Get Ready.”

So far, Mayfield’s publisher, Warner Chappell, has told the Mayfields they don’t want to get involved. But recently Hall & Oates sued Warner Chappell for not protecting “Maneater” from being lifted for a new song.
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And the youtube comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=related

Listen to the youtube link. I think it sounds more than just 'somewhat' similar - to me at least it sounds exactly the same.

I encourage the other posters here to use the youtube link and compare it themselves and comment.

And I agree with VRCWagent, If they are found to have used his music without his permission, I hope he takes them to the cleaners....
 
it wouldn't the first time COldplay palgiarised something. Just look at the ripofff off kraftwork in the song talk. They even admitted it.
 
VRWCAgent said:
IF they took his music, I hope he cleans them out for copyright infringement.
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Music is "taken" all the time. That's just how the industry is. It sucks I know, but that's the unfortenate reality. Legally, its only "taken" if it breaks the seven note rule. I broke both songs down and analyzed them very carefully (I'm a composer myself) and it does NOT. If this counts as copyright infringement, then TONS of others songs are guilty of the same thing as well.

There are obviously some simularities, but again, no where near enough to be copying. Viva la vida is a completly different styled song, with different elements, instruments, and everything. Its its own song.

If this idiot can sue Coldplay for this, then the Zombies can sue Duffy for her song Mercy for its simularities from there song Time of the Season.

Just because there are simularities is not even, it has to actually break the seven note rule...
 
philippe said:
it wouldn't the first time COldplay palgiarised something. Just look at the ripofff off kraftwork in the song talk. They even admitted it.
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Yeah and they had the permission to do that.
 
MobBoss said:
Nice little story in regards to this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462324,00.html



And the youtube comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=related

Listen to the youtube link. I think it sounds more than just 'somewhat' similar - to me at least it sounds exactly the same.

I encourage the other posters here to use the youtube link and compare it themselves and comment.

And I agree with VRCWagent, If they are found to have used his music without his permission, I hope he takes them to the cleaners....
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I already saw the comparison. Did you even see my post? I said I broke both songs carefully and I compose music myself... If you think the average peson watching youtube videos knows more than I do about this you are terribly mistaken.
 
They are amazingly similar.

My ear tells me they have the same key. I'd be very surprised to be wrong here. And it also tells me they have the same chord progression. And save for some missing notes or very few extra ones, the melody is the same too!

I completely agree with Joe Satriani that this music is in fact stolen.

However, you must bear in mind how the human mind works. It could very well happen that one of them heard it, and it went into his subconscious memory, then went out when he was composing. I'm telling you this has happened to me a million times and it happens to any composer. To have something sound so good but then realize it sounds so good because you heard it before.

But again "However", even if they did not mean it, they are guilty for not checking that.

Oldschooler88 said:
If this idiot can sue Coldplay for this [...]
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That says a lot about bias, you know? Calling Joe Satriani an idiot is not exactly the smartest thing to do to convince people you have an objective opinion.



EDIT: I've just clicked MobBoss' link. WOW. Same TEMPO?? :dubious:
 
Oldschooler88 said:
They've sold over 40 million albums, and have seven grammies. Only Lil' Wayne has more...

With that being said, your at a loss of words for a LOT of people.
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The backstreet boys sold over 100 million albums, Alanis Morissette sold over 55 million.

I imagine wesley willis probably sold something around coldplays numbers.

Wesley Shabazz Willis (May 31, 1963 – August 21, 2003) was a busker musician and artist from Chicago. A diagnosed schizophrenic, he gained a sizable cult following in the 1990s after releasing several hundred songs of unique but simple music, with emphasis on his humorous, bizarre, and very obscene lyrics.
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Courts are probably gonna just objectively look at the notes and it seems to me that the actual similarity is the three notes where Coldplay sings "rule the world", which are then repeated a couple times. Not enough for a case probably.
 
It does sound somewhat similar, but not enough for a court case I believe.

Also the overlaid part of the video sounded awesome.
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Think carefully what you say!! Two songs can only be played together and not sound awful if they:

a) have the same tempo (most important in this, but very *edit:* UNimportant in judging whether it was plagiarism or not )
b) have the same harmonic progressions IN THE SAME ORDER
c) not only that the RELATIONS between chords must be the same, but the whole thing must not be even transposed! Must be in the same key too!
d) rhythmic parts must not include any syncopation, or have exactly the same kind of syncopation if it is there.
e) have the same or very, very similar melody. Throughout the whole overlaid fragment, there was NOT ONE SINGLE disonance, meaning that there were no 2nds, 7ths, or augmented 4ths/diminished 5ths, which is a pretty unbelievable thing to happen.

Find me TWO unrelated songs that you can overlay and have them sound good! I believe you are only confused by the different instrumentation, timbre is a really hard thing to get past for most people.
 
Yeah, I was shocked when I listened to them overlapping and they had the same tempo too.
 
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